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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #150 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 8:02pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm: I referred to dangerous ideology. Right, so you were just playing the Hitler card.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107253 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #151 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 9:10pm muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 8:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm: I referred to dangerous ideology. Right, so you were just playing the Hitler card. It's a very good analogy - both ideologies were responsible for mass murder of innocent people.
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Reply #152 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 11:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

I referred to dangerous ideology.

Right, so you were just playing the Hitler card.

It's a very good analogy -
both ideologies were responsible for mass murder of innocent people.

Then you'd have to include democracy in your list of 'evil' 'murderous ideologies then, wouldn't you... Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Mosaddegh's Iran, Allende's Chile...

Reductio ad Hitlerum must only be deployed with caution and skill.

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Reply #153 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 11:50pm

Is religion dying out? I think not. Yes, there are less people attending Church, but that is largely because it has become acceptable not to attend, unlike decades ago when most people would go just to keep up appearances, and that what is happening now is that only the faithful are attending Church.

Numbers may be down in the West, but the Church is growing rapidly in Africa and Asia and is holding its own in Latin America.

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Reply #154 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 12:11am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

I referred to dangerous ideology.

Right, so you were just playing the Hitler card.

It's a very good analogy -
both ideologies were responsible for mass murder of innocent people.

Then you'd have to include democracy in your list of 'evil' 'murderous ideologies then, wouldn't you... Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Mosaddegh's Iran, Allende's Chile...

Reductio ad Hitlerum must only be deployed with caution and skill.

Except that the church was worse than all of them.

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Winston Smith Gold Member Offline Ministry of Truth Posts: 1549 Oceania Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #155 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 2:32am We all know the difference between right and wrong don't we?
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Reply #156 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 5:40am

Religion is at the root of most of the worlds problems. All these people that believe in these weird cults called religions are holding back progress. The sooner leaders of the world like the USA president don't have to pretend there are fairies in the sky in order to be elected the better. Look at the loonies who genuinely do believe, like Sarah Palin, she wants to start WW3.

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Reply #157 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 6:56am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 12:11am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

I referred to dangerous ideology.

Right, so you were just playing the Hitler card.

It's a very good analogy -
both ideologies were responsible for mass murder of innocent people.

Then you'd have to include democracy in your list of 'evil' 'murderous ideologies then, wouldn't you... Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Mosaddegh's Iran, Allende's Chile...

Reductio ad Hitlerum must only be deployed with caution and skill.

Except that the church was worse than all of them.

Emperors and secular idealists were the worst in terms of numbers.

Religious belief was, until recently, the basis upon which all human reasoning was founded... Superstition being fundamental to human nature.

Why did the Church censure Galileo? Ecclesiastical power was only part of the answer... The social upheaval that refutation of the Bible would have (and did eventually cause) was a fear that was shared by the church and state. Kings in Europe ruled by the grace of God conferring on them their natural rights and legitimacy to rule... If the text from which they gained this legitimacy was undermined it would not only be Popes and Cardinals who stood to lose everything including rights, throne and life.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #158 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 7:00am Winston Smith wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 2:32am: We all know the difference between right and wrong don't we? What is the difference?
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Reply #159 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 7:03am

skippy. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 5:40am:

Religion is at the root of most of the worlds problems. All these people that believe in these weird cults called religions are holding back progress. The sooner leaders of the world like the USA president don't have to pretend there are fairies in the sky in order to be elected the better. Look at the loonies who genuinely do believe, like Sarah Palin, she wants to start WW3.

I think that is true in the Middle East, parts of Asia and the United States all of which contain a significant number of believers with a 16th century religious mindset.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107253 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #160 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 7:49am
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Reply #161 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:01am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 7:49am:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

An American speaking from within the milieu of US neo-Christianity...

Don't you think political rhetoric is many times over greater bullsh!t and consistently peddled out to a population that risks police persecution if it attempts to uncover the truth (Assange, Snowden for example)?

Try to publish or obtain something that the political 'clerics' have arbitrarily deemed 'not in the national interest'.

Look what the Howard government did to Hicks when Blair was able to secure the release of all British citizens.

What did high profile American politicians say of Assange/ That he was a traitor (??? He's not even American)... That he should be executed without trial!!

Even makes US neo-Christianity tame.

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Reply #162 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:08am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 7:49am:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

An American speaking from within the milieu of US neo-Christianity...

Don't you think political rhetoric is many times over greater bullsh!t and consistently peddled out to a population that risks police persecution if it attempts to uncover the truth (Assange, Snowden for example)?

Try to publish or obtain something that the political 'clerics' have arbitrarily deemed 'not in the national interest'.

Look what the Howard government did to Hicks when Blair was able to secure the release of all British citizens.

What did high profile American politicians say of Assange/ That he was a traitor (??? He's not even American)... That he should be executed without trial!!

Even makes US neo-Christianity tame.

Yes & still - religion is dying out in the West.
The Catholic church especially - has trouble finding new priests.
They are closing down many churches as no one turns up.

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Reply #163 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:15am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

Yes & still - religion is dying out in the West.
The Catholic church especially - has trouble finding new priests.
They are closing down many churches as no one turns up.

Maybe those once would-be priests are turning up in state departments and security agencies where they influence political opinion by encouraging unwarranted surveillance and arrests without trial...

What did the Spanish Inquisition become? The CIA, MI5, ASIO etc...

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Reply #164 - Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:19am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

Yes & still - religion is dying out in the West.
The Catholic church especially - has trouble finding new priests.
They are closing down many churches as no one turns up.

Maybe those once would-be priests are turning up in state departments and security agencies where they influence political opinion by encouraging unwarranted surveillance and arrests without trial...

What did the Spanish Inquisition become? The CIA, MI5, ASIO etc...

Will the Inquisition return?

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