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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #165 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:32am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:19am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:08am:
Yes & still - religion is dying out in the West.
The Catholic church especially - has trouble finding new priests.
They are closing down many churches as no one turns up.

Maybe those once would-be priests are turning up in state departments and security agencies where they influence political opinion by encouraging unwarranted surveillance and arrests without trial...

What did the Spanish Inquisition become? The CIA, MI5, ASIO etc...



Will the Inquisition return?



It has.

The US President (although restricted by constitution from endorsing any religion) regularly invokes the name of (the Christian) god and wields secular power the likes of which the world has never seen. He is as close to a Caesar - in fact a greater one that has ever existed.

Bush probably held as many prayer meetings as the Pope.

Obama regularly persecutes 'whistleblowers' who threaten his 'infallibility'...

Popes and Presidents... Only their mothers can tell them apart.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #166 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:34am
 
They are not doing this yet:

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Reply #167 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:37am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:34am:
They are not doing this yet:


Try 10 years in Guantanamo in camp X-Ray without trial.

Remember 'Collateral Murder'.

Drone strikes...

They're not doing what again?
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #168 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:41am
 
You have a point.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #169 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:30am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:08am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:01am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 7:49am:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

An American speaking from within the milieu of US neo-Christianity...

Don't you think political rhetoric is many times over greater bullsh!t and consistently peddled out to a population that risks police persecution if it attempts to uncover the truth (Assange, Snowden for example)?

Try to publish or obtain something that the political 'clerics' have arbitrarily deemed 'not in the national interest'.

Look what the Howard government did to Hicks when Blair was able to secure the release of all British citizens.

What did high profile American politicians say of Assange/ That he was a traitor (??? He's not even American)... That he should be executed without trial!!

Even makes US neo-Christianity tame.



Yes & still - religion is dying out in the West.
The Catholic church especially - has trouble finding new priests.
They are closing down many churches as no one turns up.




Yep.

And e.g. in the UK, many of those churches [church buildings] which have been closed, have been acquired by local moslems, and converted into mosques.

It would seem that many people in the West are 'swapping out' one religion, in exchange for another religion ?
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #170 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:32am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:37am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:34am:
They are not doing this yet:


Try 10 years in Guantanamo in camp X-Ray without trial.

Remember 'Collateral Murder'.

Drone strikes...

They're not doing what again?


What does that have to do with religion?
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #171 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:38am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:19am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:08am:
Yes & still - religion is dying out in the West.
The Catholic church especially - has trouble finding new priests.
They are closing down many churches as no one turns up.

Maybe those once would-be priests are turning up in state departments and security agencies where they influence political opinion by encouraging unwarranted surveillance and arrests without trial...

What did the Spanish Inquisition become? The CIA, MI5, ASIO etc...



Will the Inquisition return?








bobby,

Your guess, is as good as mine ?





IMAGE...
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London - the new religious clergy, of the 21 century ?



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"

"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"








IMAGE...
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Sydney CBD, 2012 - "...religion is dying out in the West." - bobbythebat1




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #172 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:38am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:41am:
You have a point.


Yes, I think I do.

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Reply #173 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:39am
 
Frances wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:32am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:37am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:34am:
They are not doing this yet:


Try 10 years in Guantanamo in camp X-Ray without trial.

Remember 'Collateral Murder'.

Drone strikes...

They're not doing what again?


What does that have to do with religion?

Human inhumanity can manifest in religion and politics... Wherever power is concentrated.
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #174 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:40am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:41am:
You have a point.


Yes, I think I do.

http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/abu-ghraib.jpg




Yes - torture is back.

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Reply #175 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:45am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:39am:
Frances wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 9:32am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:37am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2014 at 8:34am:
They are not doing this yet:


Try 10 years in Guantanamo in camp X-Ray without trial.

Remember 'Collateral Murder'.

Drone strikes...

They're not doing what again?


What does that have to do with religion?

Human inhumanity can manifest in religion and politics...

Wherever power is concentrated.



Seems to be.             Sad

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #176 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 10:10am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 9th, 2014 at 12:57pm:
How many of these do you believe in?

angels, - YES!
devils, - YES! demons
Satan, - YES!
witches, ????? - i could be classed as a witch - but i don't call spirits, i worship God, and i seek him
goblins - more demons
leprechauns - more demon entities
elfs - more demons
miracles. - what is a miracle, except something an 'occurrence' we cannot explain - you want to witness a 'miracle' ? birth of a new child - watch the sun rise - embrace someone who you deeply love
ghosts, - YES!      [there was a ghost, an entity, in this [my] house, when i first came here]
heaven - YES!
hell - ??? - i believe that there will be an uncomfortable place of confinement for those who do not please God
holy cracker biscuits that are Christ's body - it is a psychic aid, for those who need its 'power'
holy wine that is his blood - it is a psychic aid, for those who need its 'power'
resurrections - YES!



You are forgiven

namaste



forgiven for being a brainwashed superstitious fool.

namaste



Yadda actually believes all that superstitious nonsense!  Grin


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Reply #177 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 1:23pm
 
Within their various consoling natures, both "Conventional Religion" and it's (favored by many) replacement "Scientific Materialism" still wholly fail to give ultimate explanation regarding "The Mystery that is Consciousness Itself" ... what is It exactly? ... and how does It arise?

An interesting question might be ... what is the relationship between "E=Mc2" and Consciousness?

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God and Brain
Author Glenn G. Dudley, MD
By Glenn Dudley on October 28, 2013 in God and Science, Proof for the Existence of God


E=mc2, rearranged as m=E/c2, expresses how physical matter cannot be separated from light – which is what a careful analysis of the brain nicely confirms. However, to see the connection we need to grasp how consciousness and a finite image are a mystery apart from a contrasting infinity and a transcendent, observing self who oversees the relationship between the two. Consider for a moment that these two concepts – the finite and the infinite – require an encompassing rationale. Either concept depends on the other and the combination of the two requires a context which exceeds either alone.

Next, consider that one’s awareness field or “bubble” is meaningless apart from some illuminating source or light. Even a totally blind person whose visual input is essentially zero experiences his or her self-illumination – that which we more conventionally call “consciousness” which might, in turn, be called the “light of self.” Although this light is not identical to the light induced by the retinal bombardment of photons, there is reason to believe that in a God-centered universe one’s bubble of awareness is somehow, if unfathomably, the inner aspect of photonic light. It follows that from a human perspective, God is light. And that, as we know, is exactly what the Bible teaches.

Can it be coincidental that both photons and consciousness have an oscillatory nature? Or that light as a particle sometime appears as a wave – the converse of how an approaching wave appears particulate? Consciousness, being finite, is similarly particle-like, although its edges are poorly demarcated – much as subatomic electric fields do not have discrete edges and the particles which create them must, until observed, be envisioned as probability waves. An image is also particle-like with a definitive shape which tends to regressively dissipate, thereby releasing the energy which drives the movement which, in turn, restores or sustains the particle-like image together with one’s overall awareness bubble. Indeed, an image and this bubble cannot be dissected apart such that the self, seemingly surrounding an image, is perhaps more accurately conceptualized as tightly bound or even intrinsic to the expectable specificity of the image.

These insights suggest that what we call consciousness may, when all is said and done, be God “in whom we live and move and have our being.” And while God is light we cannot rule out that what physicists refer to as “dark matter” may also or further describe His nature. For “dark” really only means that we don’t see it – though we know “it” must be there because of its accelerating effects on the expansion of the universe. And hopefully by the time you finish reading this post you will glimpse why, apart from God as the ultimate observer, E=mc2 is not be an accurate expression of physical reality.

........

To sum, this may be the only logical perspective by which consciousness, matter, energy, and light can be unified with precision. Insofar as the universe is a complex energy system poised between opposing tendencies toward and away from weightless infinity (the same opposition that defines an image), it too must have a brain-like mechanism for sustaining itself. It is likely that this mechanism is quantified by the mathematical equation E=mc2.

ww.godandbrain.com/is-emc2-proof-for-the-existence-of-god/



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The Truth that is to be Realized may be summarized simply as the Realization that no matter what is arising, no matter how many others are present, there is only One Being. This is precisely different from the childish but common religious notion that even when you are alone there is always Someone Else present, Who will look out for you if you do the right thing. True freedom is not a matter of striking a deal with an All-Powerful Parental Deity; no such God exists. True freedom is in the Realization that there is only God and You are That One.

Adi Da Samraj


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Reply #178 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 1:26pm
 
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There is no Enlightenment, no evolutionary entrance into the truly Spiritual Condition of human existence, without ego-death, or transcendence of the mind. There must be the literal death of the separate and separative consciousness. In this moment, you are holding on to your sense of separate consciousness as if it were something tangible and material. You possess yourself through a great contraction of body and psyche. By virtue of this gesture, you have become rigid, mediocre, deluded, relatively loveless, self-possessed, and isolated. To be without an inner consciousness is, for you, unthinkable. To be incapable of feeling yourself as a separate consciousness is, for you, a terrifying prospect. Nevertheless, that is precisely the realization with which you must become completely comfortable.


Adi Da Samraj
('Scientific Proof of the Existence of God Will Soon Be Announced by the White House!, p. 171)
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Reply #179 - Mar 10th, 2014 at 2:11pm
 
dear oh me oh my...I do not like to anti ..BUT..poor JESUS...crucified as a radical by greek /roman gnostics..to mystify and add to a jewish want of power..(to keep in good with the romans)...A whole templed man broken for releasing the truths of hidden mysteries...refusing to be taken by the second fall...So they twisted him on a cross and debunct the reality of reincarnation with an if but scenario of resurrection if you are good,  ..hell if you are bad, thereby bolstering up the traditions of the time so everyone  would fear death and follow suit..(I don't like those suit)..What he taught if understood was and is still today important as a tool to be nearer to your higher self...he did not christ himself..they did..spinning the crown for the likes of the ".goat"...
Much can be said in regards to his emphasis on individuality and his dislike of hierarchy, yet they used him to allow "all' to be crucified for their disqualification of your individual soul for the good of a collective.
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