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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #210 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 10:34am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

I look at JC and the Buddha as "divinely inspired" or "spiritual einsteins"
Life is indeed a journey. If you can understand the best bits of christian and buddhist "wisdom" its a journey down a 6 lane highway in a smooth car with air con.
If you want to make that journey alone as an aethiest , its hacking through thick thorny jungle with a machete.
I know which i'd rather do,

It's interesting that you would use an analogy like that.
It seems to me that on that 6 lane highway you are isolated from the outside environment and you are powerless to go anywhere except where that car and highway tell you to go. And what a boring journey that would be, watching life go past your car window.
I would much rather hike through the rainforest, choose my own path, get a genuine feel for what is around me and be able to see the beauty for what it is. To me that is the real journey of life.

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Reply #211 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:00am

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

I look at JC and the Buddha as "divinely inspired" or "spiritual einsteins"
Life is indeed a journey. If you can understand the best bits of christian and buddhist "wisdom" its a journey down a 6 lane highway in a smooth car with air con.
If you want to make that journey alone as an aethiest , its hacking through thick thorny jungle with a machete.
I know which i'd rather do,

It's interesting that you would use an analogy like that.
It seems to me that on that 6 lane highway you are isolated from the outside environment and you are powerless to go anywhere except where that car and highway tell you to go. And what a boring journey that would be, watching life go past your car window.
I would much rather hike through the rainforest, choose my own path, get a genuine feel for what is around me and be able to see the beauty for what it is. To me that is the real journey of life.

I can see your point too.
The journey (whether it be "taking up your cross" or "wandering the paths like the buddha in a state of mindfulness, tapping into the Qi" ) is what its all about. But , i suppose the destination is the thing. The destination being "personal growth" during this lifetime. I think you can advance further towards that goal by using the techniques / parables taught by the buddha and JC.
I wouldnt take the bible literally though.
The dharma ....i really cant find much in it that could be disputed. Wink

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107236 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #212 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:07am May I suggest that everyone has a good read of this website: http://www.evilbible.com/
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #213 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:59am Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:07am: May I suggest that everyone has a good read of this website So this is where you get your "facts" from.....
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107236 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #214 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:12pm Frances wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:59am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:07am: May I suggest that everyone has a good read of this website So this is where you get your "facts" from..... Many of my facts come from that website. I suggest you have a thorough read. namaste
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Reply #215 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:55pm

Many Christians take the Bible completely as the literal truth ... rather than understanding the parts that are more allegorical in nature. Historically speaking, allegory was greatly used by Judeo/Christians when giving teachings/life lessons.

Then of course many critics attack back ... again largely ignoring the allegorical nature of many of the teachings.

All of this debate takes part more in the public sphere or exoteric level of conventional Christianity.
Which in the end has little to do with real spiritual practice and the deeper or esoteric teachings of Jesus.

So really to be honest. I find it all a bit boring ... it's just an argument going on within an ongoing misconception! ... Roll Eyes

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Reply #216 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

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allegorical

adjective
adjective: allegorical

1.
constituting or containing allegory.
"an allegorical painting"
synonyms: symbolic, metaphorical, figurative, representative, emblematic, imagistic, mystical, parabolic, symbolizing;

In other words we have an apologist on our forum for the
wrong doings in the Bible.

see link:

http://www.evilbible.com/

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #217 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 1:37pm

I make no apologies for any of the horrors committed in the name of the Bible or any other book or religion for that matter!

It is just as I stated ... really I just find much of the argument a bit boring, and also may I add a bit pedestrian (lacking inspiration or excitement; dull)

But I guess this "thread" is about the question of the (conventional) "Christian Religion dying out" and most people see (and indeed practice) Christianity merely in conventional terms/ways.

So pardon me if (for now) I bail out of the shallows and find deeper more inspirational waters ...

I'll leave you all to it ... whatever "it" is ... Roll Eyes

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Reply #218 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:06pm

0ktema wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

I make no apologies for any of the horrors committed in the name of the Bible or any other book or religion for that matter!

It is just as I stated ... really I just find much of the argument a bit boring, and also may I add a bit pedestrian (lacking inspiration or excitement; dull)

But I guess this "thread" is about the question of the (conventional) "Christian Religion dying out" and most people see (and indeed practice) Christianity merely in conventional terms/ways.

So pardon me if (for now) I bail out of the shallows and find deeper more inspirational waters ...

I'll leave you all to it ... whatever "it" is ... Roll Eyes

A whole website dismissed as though you are too superior for it.

A wise man should be humble not a narcissistic type.

forgiven

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #219 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:16pm

0ktema wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

I make no apologies for any of the horrors committed in the name of the Bible or any other book or religion for that matter!

It is just as I stated ... really I just find much of the argument a bit boring, and also may I add a bit pedestrian (lacking inspiration or excitement; dull)

But I guess this "thread" is about the question of the (conventional) "Christian Religion dying out" and most people see (and indeed practice) Christianity merely in conventional terms/ways.

So pardon me if (for now) I bail out of the shallows and find deeper more inspirational waters ...

I'll leave you all to it ... whatever "it" is ... Roll Eyes

...And with that, he chucked teddy in the dirt and sashayed off to the toilet in the park.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #220 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:34pm

0ktema wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:

Many Christians take the Bible completely as the literal truth ... rather than understanding the parts that are more allegorical in nature. Historically speaking, allegory was greatly used by Judeo/Christians when giving teachings/life lessons.

Then of course many critics attack back ... again largely ignoring the allegorical nature of many of the teachings.

All of this debate takes part more in the public sphere or exoteric level of conventional Christianity.
Which in the end has little to do with real spiritual practice and the deeper or esoteric teachings of Jesus.

So really to be honest. I find it all a bit boring ... it's just an argument going on within an ongoing misconception! ... Roll Eyes

Well admittedly as an attacker I tend to focus on when other people take it literally instead of allegorically. E.g. Matty is a fantastic example.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #221 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:06pm:

0ktema wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

I make no apologies for any of the horrors committed in the name of the Bible or any other book or religion for that matter!

It is just as I stated ... really I just find much of the argument a bit boring, and also may I add a bit pedestrian (lacking inspiration or excitement; dull)

But I guess this "thread" is about the question of the (conventional) "Christian Religion dying out" and most people see (and indeed practice) Christianity merely in conventional terms/ways.

So pardon me if (for now) I bail out of the shallows and find deeper more inspirational waters ...

I'll leave you all to it ... whatever "it" is ... Roll Eyes

A whole website dismissed as though you are too superior for it.

A wise man should be humble not a narcissistic type.

forgiven

namaste

I'm not dismissing the website or it's relevance to your argument ... the simple fact is I'd rather not be involved in the argument at all ...

Sorry Bobby but you may have to push that particular barrow up to someone else's door ... Wink

... so sadly I'll leave you to your disappointed and disapointing judgements ... Cry

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #222 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 3:27pm

Reading the posts on this site, many are so angst ridden!

Jesus Christ made simple teachings, Jesus was gentle...the lamb.

Why is religion so caught up in ritual and so bloody turmoil driven.

Christ's message was simple and pure.

Literally for God's sake, all take a deep breath. Let go of all that crazy stress that blinds and binds.

God is not ritual driven, God simply wants you to believe and lead a good life...that too hard?

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #223 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 3:56pm

0ktema wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 2:06pm:

0ktema wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

I make no apologies for any of the horrors committed in the name of the Bible or any other book or religion for that matter!

It is just as I stated ... really I just find much of the argument a bit boring, and also may I add a bit pedestrian (lacking inspiration or excitement; dull)

But I guess this "thread" is about the question of the (conventional) "Christian Religion dying out" and most people see (and indeed practice) Christianity merely in conventional terms/ways.

So pardon me if (for now) I bail out of the shallows and find deeper more inspirational waters ...

I'll leave you all to it ... whatever "it" is ... Roll Eyes

A whole website dismissed as though you are too superior for it.

A wise man should be humble not a narcissistic type.

forgiven

namaste

I'm not dismissing the website or it's relevance to your argument ... the simple fact is I'd rather not be involved in the argument at all ...

Sorry Bobby but you may have to push that particular barrow up to someone else's door ... Wink

... so sadly I'll leave you to your disappointed and disapointing judgements ... Cry

A bright man once said "I can't be bothered with this at the moment" so he went of to work on the painting his tow bar ... Grin

You have a lot to say for someone who wants to say no more!!

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #224 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:17pm

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Reading the posts on this site, many are so angst ridden!

Jesus Christ made simple teachings, Jesus was gentle...the lamb.

Why is religion so caught up in ritual and so bloody turmoil driven.

Christ's message was simple and pure.

Literally for God's sake, all take a deep breath. Let go of all that crazy stress that blinds and binds.

God is not ritual driven, God simply wants you to believe and lead a good life...that too hard?

Why all the talk of god's wants?

Humans make god(s).

Its humans who write of him (it), define him and determine his nature and substance.

But the one thing, I'd bet, that all gods we've created have in common (where all else of them is unequal - kinder, stronger, happier, angrier)... They are all free of doubt.

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