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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #225 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:24pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Humans make god(s) So you say. Others would say that God created humans....
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #226 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 9:16pm Frances wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:24pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Humans make god(s) So you say. Others would say that God created humans.... Well, that's my point, isn't it... It's humans that are doing the saying.
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #227 - Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Frances wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Humans make god(s)

So you say. Others would say that God created humans....

Well, that's my point, isn't it... It's humans that are doing the saying.

NoN,

It's humans that are doing the saying.

Conviction is the art of being certain Tongue

And what are we certain of ?

What do do we humans know, 100% ?

Do we know, what 'reality' is [the nature of our reality] ?

And we engage in supposition, and hypothesis about what ?

We humans imagine that we are intelligent [and that we are highly accomplished creatures], but the truth is that we [human beings] know almost nothing about our own circumstances, in this 'reality'.

We are self aware.

What else do we know, about our circumstances, 100% ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #228 - Mar 12^th, 2014 at 2:29am

I perceive my reality from the perspective of my senses. I experience thoughts and feelings. I remember experiences from the past. I feel as though I have a certain amount of free will. I seem to have what might be called conscience. I observe bad things happening to others. I don't think I have done anything really bad to anyone. I don't think anything really bad has been done to me by anyone. I can't say the same for anyone else.

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NorthOfNorth

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #229 - Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:35am

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Frances wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Humans make god(s)

So you say. Others would say that God created humans....

Well, that's my point, isn't it... It's humans that are doing the saying.

NoN,

It's humans that are doing the saying.

Conviction is the art of being certain Tongue

And what are we certain of ?

What do do we humans know, 100% ?

Do we know, what 'reality' is [the nature of our reality] ?

And we engage in supposition, and hypothesis about what ?

We humans imagine that we are intelligent [and that we are highly accomplished creatures], but the truth is that we [human beings] know almost nothing about our own circumstances, in this 'reality'.

We are self aware.

What else do we know, about our circumstances, 100% ?

We can only be certain of the ubiquity of doubt, of course!

Only our gods we create are free of that ubiquity (in Socratic / Platonic terms - 'the ones who know').

The best we can achieve is an imagination of certainty (free of the ubiquity of doubt), knowing, though, that our 'certainty' is always contingent upon our awareness that we cannot be certain in the absolute... We can cultivate an 'art of conviction' - an art form that does not lose sight of the limits by which doubt necessarily constrains us.

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Conviction is the art of being certain

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #230 - Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:25am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:35am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Frances wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Humans make god(s)

So you say. Others would say that God created humans....

Well, that's my point, isn't it... It's humans that are doing the saying.

NoN,

It's humans that are doing the saying.

Conviction is the art of being certain Tongue

And what are we certain of ?

What do do we humans know, 100% ?

Do we know, what 'reality' is [the nature of our reality] ?

And we engage in supposition, and hypothesis about what ?

We humans imagine that we are intelligent [and that we are highly accomplished creatures], but the truth is that we [human beings] know almost nothing about our own circumstances, in this 'reality'.

We are self aware.

What else do we know, about our circumstances, 100% ?

We can only be certain of the ubiquity of doubt, of course!

Only our gods we create are free of that ubiquity (in Socratic / Platonic terms - 'the ones who know').

The best we can achieve is an imagination of certainty (free of the ubiquity of doubt), knowing, though, that our 'certainty' is always contingent upon our awareness that we cannot be certain in the absolute... We can cultivate an 'art of conviction' - an art form that does not lose sight of the limits by which doubt necessarily constrains us.

Doubting Thomas....maybe we need an epiphany

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #231 - Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:51am aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:25am: [quote author=helian link=1388439900/229#229 date=1394566518] maybe we need an epiphany They've been banned in Australia by the TGA.
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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #232 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 12:56pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 7:25am:

[quote author=helian link=1388439900/229#229 date=1394566518]

maybe we need an epiphany

They've been banned in Australia by the TGA.

Was it? Is that the designer version of ecstacy?
(ethylene dioxymethamphetamine) or EDMA Wink

Most people wouldn't know Epiphany from Adam.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #233 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 12^th, 2014 at 5:35am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Frances wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 11^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Humans make god(s)

So you say. Others would say that God created humans....

Well, that's my point, isn't it... It's humans that are doing the saying.

NoN,

It's humans that are doing the saying.

Conviction is the art of being certain Tongue

And what are we certain of ?

What do do we humans know, 100% ?

Do we know, what 'reality' is [the nature of our reality] ?

And we engage in supposition, and hypothesis about what ?

We humans imagine that we are intelligent [and that we are highly accomplished creatures], but the truth is that we [human beings] know almost nothing about our own circumstances, in this 'reality'.

We are self aware.

What else do we know, about our circumstances, 100% ?

We can only be certain of the ubiquity of doubt, of course!

Only our gods we create are free of that ubiquity (in Socratic / Platonic terms - 'the ones who know').

The best we can achieve is an imagination of certainty (free of the ubiquity of doubt), knowing, though, that our 'certainty' is always contingent upon our awareness that we cannot be certain in the absolute... We can cultivate an 'art of conviction' - an art form that does not lose sight of the limits by which doubt necessarily constrains us.

Add purpose (aka conviction) and community (things that bind) and you have - religion ( a binding common purpose).

The shape of god is an afterthought by comparison.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #234 - Mar 14^th, 2014 at 8:12pm Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2014 at 5:59pm: Add purpose (aka conviction) and community (things that bind) and you have - religion ( a binding common purpose). The shape of god is an afterthought by comparison. You've got the emphasis right.
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