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Reply #60 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:57pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:31pm:

not all humans

What makes YOU so special?

i went to a catholic school ..... Grin

that makes you one of the herd...

nope, it had the opposite effect to what was intended ... proved to me what a load of codswallop it all was.

You mean your education was wasted on you.

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Reply #61 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:50pm

... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

the lack of 'ongoing' evolution suggests all the different species were created as they basically are now.
eg, horses started to 'evolve' 20 million years ago.
What happened to the ones that 'started to evolve' 10 million and 5 million or 1 million years ago?
How come there are no 1/2 created species ?

Every breed of dog has evolved from wolves in just 30,000 years. Give them 10 million years and who knows how some of them would look.

So what happpened to the dogs that started to evolve from wolves 20,000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, or 5000 years ago?
Where are the 1/2 wolf 1/2 chichuaua animals ?
It's like there are chichuauas, and trhere are wolves. And they are different.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #62 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:59pm

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:31pm:

not all humans

What makes YOU so special?

i went to a catholic school ..... Grin

that makes you one of the herd...

nope, it had the opposite effect to what was intended ... proved to me what a load of codswallop it all was.

You mean your education was wasted on you.

au contraire .... It worked better than intended.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75287 Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #63 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:00pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:50pm: Where are the 1/2 wolf 1/2 chichuaua animals ? the wolf ate the chichuaua after he buggered it .... I know, the naughty wolf
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #64 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:02am And so the thread turns into a biblebashing session by the ones that are threatened over their religion dying out. BTW john most ppl i know that went to catcholic school came out non-believers. Some of them still call themselves "non-practicing catholics" because the ingrained fear is still there though. SOB
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #65 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:45am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:02am: And so the thread turns into a biblebashing session by the ones that are threatened over their religion dying out. huh? Who? Where?
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Reply #66 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:04am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:50pm:

... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

the lack of 'ongoing' evolution suggests all the different species were created as they basically are now.
eg, horses started to 'evolve' 20 million years ago.
What happened to the ones that 'started to evolve' 10 million and 5 million or 1 million years ago?
How come there are no 1/2 created species ?

Every breed of dog has evolved from wolves in just 30,000 years. Give them 10 million years and who knows how some of them would look.

So what happpened to the dogs that started to evolve from wolves 20,000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, or 5000 years ago?
Where are the 1/2 wolf 1/2 chichuaua animals ?
It's like there are chichuauas, and trhere are wolves. And they are different.

About 130,000 years ago man domesticated some of the more friendly and docile wolves which were around their village. Over time, due to natural selection (only dogs which suited the needs of man were kept to breed) these wolves eventually became the domestic dogs we have today.
The divergence happened 130,000 years ago, and since that time wolves and domestic dogs have evolved independently of each other.

That is why there is no 1/2 wolf 1/2 Chihuahua animal

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Reply #67 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:19am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:50pm:

... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

the lack of 'ongoing' evolution suggests all the different species were created as they basically are now.
eg, horses started to 'evolve' 20 million years ago.
What happened to the ones that 'started to evolve' 10 million and 5 million or 1 million years ago?
How come there are no 1/2 created species ?

Every breed of dog has evolved from wolves in just 30,000 years. Give them 10 million years and who knows how some of them would look.

So what happpened to the dogs that started to evolve from wolves 20,000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, or 5000 years ago?
Where are the 1/2 wolf 1/2 chichuaua animals ?
It's like there are chichuauas, and trhere are wolves. And they are different.

About 130,000 years ago man domesticated some of the more friendly and docile wolves which were around their village. Over time, due to natural selection (only dogs which suited the needs of man were kept to breed) these wolves eventually became the domestic dogs we have today.
The divergence happened 130,000 years ago, and since that time wolves and domestic dogs have evolved independently of each other.

That is why there is no 1/2 wolf 1/2 Chihuahua animal

How could anyone possible know this? It is hard enough knowing for sure what exactly happened just a hundred years ago let alone over a hundred thousand. Really, once we get past about 5 thousand years we really have no idea what humanity was doing. Bits and pieces here and there, but certainly nothing to the point of knowing how the locals related to wolfs in their village.

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Reply #68 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:32am

Quantum wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:50pm:

... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

the lack of 'ongoing' evolution suggests all the different species were created as they basically are now.
eg, horses started to 'evolve' 20 million years ago.
What happened to the ones that 'started to evolve' 10 million and 5 million or 1 million years ago?
How come there are no 1/2 created species ?

Every breed of dog has evolved from wolves in just 30,000 years. Give them 10 million years and who knows how some of them would look.

So what happpened to the dogs that started to evolve from wolves 20,000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, or 5000 years ago?
Where are the 1/2 wolf 1/2 chichuaua animals ?
It's like there are chichuauas, and trhere are wolves. And they are different.

About 130,000 years ago man domesticated some of the more friendly and docile wolves which were around their village. Over time, due to natural selection (only dogs which suited the needs of man were kept to breed) these wolves eventually became the domestic dogs we have today.
The divergence happened 130,000 years ago, and since that time wolves and domestic dogs have evolved independently of each other.

That is why there is no 1/2 wolf 1/2 Chihuahua animal

How could anyone possible know this? It is hard enough knowing for sure what exactly happened just a hundred years ago let alone over a hundred thousand. Really, once we get past about 5 thousand years we really have no idea what humanity was doing. Bits and pieces here and there, but certainly nothing to the point of knowing how the locals related to wolfs in their village.

Quite easily through archeology. They started finding the bones of dogs/wolves in the villages. Some of the owners even had their pet buried with them.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #70 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:17am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Quantum wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:50pm:

... wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

the lack of 'ongoing' evolution suggests all the different species were created as they basically are now.
eg, horses started to 'evolve' 20 million years ago.
What happened to the ones that 'started to evolve' 10 million and 5 million or 1 million years ago?
How come there are no 1/2 created species ?

Every breed of dog has evolved from wolves in just 30,000 years. Give them 10 million years and who knows how some of them would look.

So what happpened to the dogs that started to evolve from wolves 20,000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, or 5000 years ago?
Where are the 1/2 wolf 1/2 chichuaua animals ?
It's like there are chichuauas, and trhere are wolves. And they are different.

About 130,000 years ago man domesticated some of the more friendly and docile wolves which were around their village. Over time, due to natural selection (only dogs which suited the needs of man were kept to breed) these wolves eventually became the domestic dogs we have today.
The divergence happened 130,000 years ago, and since that time wolves and domestic dogs have evolved independently of each other.

That is why there is no 1/2 wolf 1/2 Chihuahua animal

How could anyone possible know this? It is hard enough knowing for sure what exactly happened just a hundred years ago let alone over a hundred thousand. Really, once we get past about 5 thousand years we really have no idea what humanity was doing. Bits and pieces here and there, but certainly nothing to the point of knowing how the locals related to wolfs in their village.

Quite easily through archeology. They started finding the bones of dogs/wolves in the villages. Some of the owners even had their pet buried with them.

It is known that many animals (such as Horses) were domesticated about 6000 years ago. There is also evidence that other animals may have been domesticated as long as 10,000 years ago. There is some speculation that wolves may have have been even earlier. Possibly as far back as 20-30 thousand years ago, although there is nothing really solid to work from.

How do we jump from that to over 130,000 years, as well as knowing that it was because of the usefulness of the wolves to humans that dogs came to be? That seems like a huge amount of speculation with little to go from.

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Reply #71 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:57am

Quantum wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

It is known that many animals (such as Horses) were domesticated about 6000 years ago. There is also evidence that other animals may have been domesticated as long as 10,000 years ago. There is some speculation that wolves may have have been even earlier. Possibly as far back as 20-30 thousand years ago, although there is nothing really solid to work from.

How do we jump from that to over 130,000 years, as well as knowing that it was because of the usefulness of the wolves to humans that dogs came to be? That seems like a huge amount of speculation with little to go from.

Quote:

Evolution of the Dog

Recent molecular evidence shows that dogs are descended from the gray wolf, domesticated about 130,000 years ago.

How and when this domestication happened has been a matter of speculation. It was thought until very recently that dogs were wild until about 12,000 years ago. But DNA analysis published in 1997 suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of wolves to dogs. This means that wolves began to adapt to human society long before humans settled down and began practicing agriculture.

This earlier timing casts doubt on the long-held myth that humans domesticated dogs to serve as guards or companions to assist them. Rather, say some experts, dogs may have exploited a niche they discovered in early human society and got humans to take them in out of the cold.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/5/l_015_02.html

So yes there is still some debate about the exact timing and reasons for domestication but there is little doubt that for many thousands of years dogs have been used as companians, guards and workers and have been breed accordingly.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #72 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:05pm "It is known that many animals (such as Horses) were domesticated about 6000 years ago." Isnt that when the earth was "created"? Which is a prime example of why religion needs to be let to die out a natural death . . . . SOB
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Reply #73 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:29pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

"It is known that many animals (such as Horses) were domesticated about 6000 years ago."

Isnt that when the earth was "created"?

Which is a prime example of why religion needs to be let to die out a natural death . . . .

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #74 - Jan 4^th, 2014 at 1:08pm ... wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 11:11am: New breeds can be created within mere decades. It's not hard to see...if you want to. yes, they can be. But in nature, where are the 1/2 zebras, 1/2 horses ? Where are the creatures that are only a few 100/1000 years started on their evolution journey ?
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