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Reply #90 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:52pm

I think that the meaning is still understandable, but as our language changes, the meaning gets lost in translation.
Maybe an updated bible in modern language would help somewhat. And also being mindful that people aren't so sucked in by promises of mumbo jumbo as they once were.

The important (to me) messages of Christianity are as valid today as they were 2000yrs ago, however, there needs to be a recognition that when people smell bs these days, the baby often goes out with the bathwater.

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Reply #92 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 10:07pm

Grey wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

You really do assume too much. Your entire science vs Christianity mindset is a result of being an uneducated idiot who has being brainwashed by militant atheist with an agenda. More than that, for someone who keeps saying "that's in America, where in Australia" you do seem to let local US issues dominate Australian conversations.

Most Australian Christians are not anti science. In fact there are many professional scientist who are Christian. Just because you have turned science into your god, were you believe whatever you are told as you hope for the day we are living in Star Trek land, does not mean that others are anti science just because they like to stick to facts.

I for one have never said that the earth is only 6000 years old. You just keep buying the lie that all Christians are a bunch of inbreeds who won't use electricity because that's science stuff.

I'm intrigued to see Christianity defended as factual.

An acknowledgement that the Earth is older than a few thousand years is certainly a step in the right direction. But a belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father and born by a virgin can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic apple tree, still sounds like a hard truth for a member of the reality based community to swallow.

It makes the idea of landscaping done by a giant rainbow serpent sound quite plausible in fact.

"It is my suspicion that the universe is not only stranger than we do imagine but it is stranger than we can imagine."

J.B.S.Haldane - biochemist

Grey,

People like you think that people like me are strange [i.e. irrational].

I believe that human beings, all of us, are beings, entity's, who are trying to grasp onto create some semblance of certainty for ourselves.

When clearly [i believe] there is no way of us grasping onto any form 'certainty', in this 'universe'.

Yes, we all believe that the sun will rise tomorrow morning, but is there any 100% certainty that it must ?

We all experience the same journey.

Some of us have chosen to take 'out of the way paths' [a 'less travelled' path?].

Are people like myself 'delusional', because we take a 'less travelled' path?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #94 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm

I believe the spirit of Christianity is on the wane.

Do you think lotsa mankind, love God, love God's righteousness ?

Is that why the state of the world [today] is in the state that it is ?

Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
.....
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #95 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:55am

Yadda wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

I believe the spirit of Christianity is on the wane.

Do you think lotsa mankind, love God, love God's righteousness ?

Is that why the state of the world [today] is in the state that it is ?

What state is that? - a state of less Christianity?

- certainly not increased warfare. We are probably living in the most peaceful period in history. Compared to the last decade, the past was almost medieval by comparison. Grin

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But Joshua Goldstein argues that despite Iraq and Afghanistan, Congo and Sudan, the past 10 years have seen fewer war deaths than any decade in the past 100 years. And Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker goes even further. We may be living in the most peaceful period in the history of our species. Really? And if so, why?

http://www.winningthewaronwar.com/

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Reply #96 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 10:39am

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

I believe the spirit of Christianity is on the wane.

Do you think lotsa mankind, love God, love God's righteousness ?

Is that why the state of the world [today] is in the state that it is ?

What state is that? - a state of less Christianity?

- certainly not increased warfare. We are probably living in the most peaceful period in history. Compared to the last decade, the past was almost medieval by comparison. Grin

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But Joshua Goldstein argues that despite Iraq and Afghanistan, Congo and Sudan, the past 10 years have seen fewer war deaths than any decade in the past 100 years. And Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker goes even further. We may be living in the most peaceful period in the history of our species. Really? And if so, why?

http://www.winningthewaronwar.com/

I often think about those who lived through the first half of the 20th Century. In the 31 years between 1914 and 1945 there was 2 world wars and a great depression. All that in just 31 years.

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Reply #97 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 10:57am

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

I believe the spirit of Christianity is on the wane.

Do you think lotsa mankind, love God, love God's righteousness ?

Is that why the state of the world [today] is in the state that it is ?

What state is that? - a state of less Christianity?

- certainly not increased warfare. We are probably living in the most peaceful period in history. Compared to the last decade, the past was almost medieval by comparison. Grin

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But Joshua Goldstein argues that despite Iraq and Afghanistan, Congo and Sudan, the past 10 years have seen fewer war deaths than any decade in the past 100 years. And Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker goes even further. We may be living in the most peaceful period in the history of our species. Really? And if so, why?

http://www.winningthewaronwar.com/

The longer the peace, the more devastating the war that follows.

In stock market terms, I believe they call it a "correction", and as we know, it cannot grow forever.

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Reply #98 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

I believe the spirit of Christianity is on the wane.

Do you think lotsa mankind, love God, love God's righteousness ?

Is that why the state of the world [today] is in the state that it is ?

What state is that? - a state of less Christianity?

- certainly not increased warfare. We are probably living in the most peaceful period in history. Compared to the last decade, the past was almost medieval by comparison. Grin

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But Joshua Goldstein argues that despite Iraq and Afghanistan, Congo and Sudan, the past 10 years have seen fewer war deaths than any decade in the past 100 years. And Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker goes even further. We may be living in the most peaceful period in the history of our species. Really? And if so, why?

http://www.winningthewaronwar.com/

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Winning the War on War: The Decline of Armed Conflict Worldwide
Despite the gory headlines, the decade since 9/11 has been
the most peaceful worldwide in the past century.

.....Taking us from his own sleepless night in Beirut as shells landed in nearby streets, to the agonizing failures of the international community in Bosnia and Rwanda, to the recent triumphs of peacekeeping in West Africa, Goldstein tells the most exciting and important untold global story of our age. He shows how large-scale looting, sexual assault, and atrocities are being stopped, and how we can continue building on these hopeful and inspiring achievements to keep winning the war on war.

http://www.winningthewaronwar.com/

1965-1966
Google;
indonesia, massacre of hundreds of thousands of civilians, anti-communist

1971
Google;
millions dead east pakistan

1980-2000
Google;
muslims kill, 2 million christians sudan

The victims of the intractable conflict in the southern Philippines, that has been going on for decades.

The 1980's Iraq-Iran war where hundreds of thousands of combatants died ?

Iraq, today.

Syria, today.

Sudan, today.

Somalia, today.

Yes, we have lived in an age of peace for decades. Tongue

"...the most peaceful period in history."

Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
.....
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Ezekiel 7:23
Make a chain: for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of violence.
24 Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their houses: I will also make the pomp of the strong to cease; and their holy places shall be defiled.
25 Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none.
26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.
27 The king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with desolation, and the hands of the people of the land shall be troubled: I will do unto them after their way, and according to their deserts will I judge them; and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Is Christian religion dying out? Reply #99 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:22pm Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm: Yes, we have lived in an age of peace for decades. "...the most peaceful period in history." The last decade 2003-2013 has actually been the most peaceful period in living history. It doesn't say that we have lived in peace for decades.
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Reply #100 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:34pm

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Yes, we have lived in an age of peace for decades. Tongue

"...the most peaceful period in history."

The last decade 2003-2013 has actually been the most peaceful period in living history. It doesn't say that we have lived in peace for decades.

You wouldn't agree if you lived in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria.

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Reply #101 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 5:10pm

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Yes, we have lived in an age of peace for decades. Tongue

"...the most peaceful period in history."

The last decade 2003-2013 has actually been the most peaceful period in living history. It doesn't say that we have lived in peace for decades.

Which world do you live in.....????

No wonder your part of the anthropogenic global warming religion.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Reply #102 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 7:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Yes, we have lived in an age of peace for decades. Tongue

"...the most peaceful period in history."

The last decade 2003-2013 has actually been the most peaceful period in living history. It doesn't say that we have lived in peace for decades.

You wouldn't agree if you lived in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria.

Read the book. How many people have died in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria in the last 10 years?

Iraq - About 0.5 Million
Afghanistan - About 20,000
Syria - About 100,000

It just doesn't compare.

First World War 15 million dead
Russian Revolution 9 million
Early Soviet Union under Stalin - 20 million
The Congo 10 million

Chinese civil Wars 7 million
Mao Zedong - 40 million
Nigerian Civil War 2.8 million
Rwanda 0.8 million
Second World War - 66 million
Spanish Civil War - 0.5 Million
Vietnam War - 3.8 million
Korean War 1.2 million
Soviet Afghanistan War 79-89 - 1.5 million

Then there was the 19th Century - about 2 million for Europe alone, then there was the Taiping revolution, the Opium War, the Mexican Civil War, US Civil War etc
27 million from the British in India. On a per capita basis, a lot more people died from war in the 19th century compared to the 20th.

0.6 million out of 7 billion total world population might seem a lot, but we're a lot more peaceful than we have been..... so far. The First World War alone lost 15 million out of about 1 billion (world population at the time) and that was just 4 years.

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Reply #103 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 9:46pm

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

muso wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Yes, we have lived in an age of peace for decades. Tongue

"...the most peaceful period in history."

The last decade 2003-2013 has actually been the most peaceful period in living history. It doesn't say that we have lived in peace for decades.

You wouldn't agree if you lived in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria.

Read the book. How many people have died in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria in the last 10 years?

Iraq - About 0.5 Million
Afghanistan - About 20,000
Syria - About 100,000

It just doesn't compare.

First World War 15 million dead
Russian Revolution 9 million
Early Soviet Union under Stalin - 20 million
The Congo 10 million

Chinese civil Wars 7 million
Mao Zedong - 40 million
Nigerian Civil War 2.8 million
Rwanda 0.8 million
Second World War - 66 million
Spanish Civil War - 0.5 Million
Vietnam War - 3.8 million
Korean War 1.2 million
Soviet Afghanistan War 79-89 - 1.5 million

Then there was the 19th Century - about 2 million for Europe alone, then there was the Taiping revolution, the Opium War, the Mexican Civil War, US Civil War etc
27 million from the British in India. On a per capita basis, a lot more people died from war in the 19th century compared to the 20th.

0.6 million out of 7 billion total world population might seem a lot, but we're a lot more peaceful than we have been..... so far. The First World War alone lost 15 million out of about 1 billion (world population at the time) and that was just 4 years.

Still - those numbers don't mean much to someone in the middle of a war zone now.

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Reply #104 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:22am

muso,

Maybe i am mistaken, but i believe that widespread peace among men, can only exist when the majority of men perceive believe that they are not being treated unjustly [by their fellow men, or, by authorities and governments set over them to regulate their lives] ?

I believe that peace is the 'child' of justice.

[...and i believe that justice in a society of men is impossible, when there is no respect for truth in that society of men]

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The last decade 2003-2013 has actually been the most peaceful period in living history.

muso,

Is your argument that today, we live in a world where the principles of truth and justice are respected by men ?

Is your argument that today, we live in a world where the principles of truth and justice are defended by men ?

Dictionary;
principle = = a fundamental truth or proposition serving as the foundation for belief or action. a rule or belief governing one’s personal behaviour. morally correct behaviour and attitudes:

muso,

Turn on your TV, and watch the TV news tonight.

And see if mankind seem to be happy and content with the 'peace' [among men] that you describe - and are confident of.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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