Stratos wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:


You're the self-proclaimed agnostic, my friend. I simply pointed out your self-profession of Godlessness and open rebellion against Jesus Christ.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/129#129
Or as you put it: "Because to leap from "agnostic" to "believes in God" is pretty weird logic."
Are you going to change your mind now? That would be a great thing, our could-become-bro!

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. 19

Repent ye

therefore,

and be converted

, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Stratos wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:


This is where I have been trying to take you, ever since I first brought up this most conspicuous fulfillment of prophecy, on page 6 of this thread. But all I got from you was ignore, change the subject, obfuscate and ignore some more.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/78#78

1.So how do you not necessarily have to believe in the God of the inspired scriptures of Jews and Christians, when you recognize fulfilled prophecy therein?

2. How do you recognize this prophecy, but then go through all your machinations and fight tooth and nail in an effort to DISbelieve the prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion in Psalms 22 (let alone Isaiah 53), and even go as far as to accuse the Gospel recorders as falsely embellishing in what would have to be a conspiracy, when what they actually did was point out just how the old covenant prophecies of Jesus' crucifixion were perfectly fulfilled through the event? The crucifixion, death and resurrection and shed blood of the Messiah being the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/134#134

3. Recognizing ANY fulfilled prophecy of the inspired scriptures - particularly one so massive - how do you not recognize the need to repent? Indeed the prophecy you do recognize suggests that even "heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD" through its fulfillment:
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_prophecy.htm

How can you be a self-proclaimed agnostic, even while you recognize that the restoration of Jews to Israel, is a fulfillment of prophecy of the one great God of Jews and Christians YHWH as He inspired in His old covenant prophet to prophesy of?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/134#134

"Agnostics believe neither that there is, or is definitely not a supernatural influence in the world."

Seems you obviously believe there is supernatural influence in the world, since you believe fulfillment, of inspired prophecy.

So which is it my friend? Do you believe in God or not?

Perhaps it's high time for you to revisit a term that you used earlier, while crediting it for having carried you away from Christianity, that term being cognitive dissonance.

Stratos wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:


Moses provided additional examples many of which are included on the link that I provided. Like those listed here on that page:
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_prophecy.htm#prophecy_zionism
There are many prophesies of it. That's how Christians anticipated it centuries before Jews began to be restored to their land.

Stratos wrote on Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:


You followed a phony eschatology before you ever even left the church - perhaps part of the reason why you left - and now you are marching around under the banner of your old eschatology, without having put the slightest effort into investigating an entire approach to prophecy with which you are unfamiliar, all while you continue to choose to stand outside of the Spirit of God.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/133#133

Stratos wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 5:53am:


My friend, the person with a life in Jesus Christ, isn't the person that needs to be worried over here.

Stratos wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 5:53am:


Is that what it & I said?

Dan 12:5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

We have witnessed the end of the scattered power of the Jews - the only holy people of Daniel's day - who have now been restored to power, and rule and reign over Israel today.
The "end of these wonders" is taking place NOW that we are in what is later referred to as the "time of the end". In other words humanity is IN the END. This IS the END.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel asked, but was not given an answer, other than the words were sealed up until the "time of the end". That's why nobody could understand what was meant by the end of the scattered power of the holy people, or just when the "time of the end" was, until we found ourselves IN IT as demonstrated mathematically, as we look back through hindsight at fulfilled prophecy.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Bolded is aptly displayed throughout this thread.
What I said is that 2500 years from the event pin in Daniel's prophecy of the third year of Cyrus, the Jews were restored to Jerusalem, completing their power over Israel.
What I said is that this marked our entry into the "time of the end", by demonstrating in stunning fashion that the book of Daniel has indeed been unsealed, and we now find ourselves in the "time of the end".
http://www.zionismchristian.com/daniel_prophesied_modern_zionism.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 5:53am:


It did come true, as this time of the end continues to come true in stunning fashion, as confirmed historically, through day present reality and even mathematically. Particularly with the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast" as the final foe of God's people.

You even recognize the restoration of Jews to their land, yet go on and on in your failed understanding of the turn of a verse as if it hadn't been fulfilled, because of your misunderstanding. Which is of course because the only direction you focus your effort is in DISbelief.

We are in the "time of the end". We are thus in the end. The resurrection of the dead and the Second Coming of Christ happen at the "last trump" end of this "time of the end".

God's offering the Godless stunning proof of that, and a final opportunity for the unrepentant to repent.

As Isaac Newton put it: All which is as much as to say, that these Prophecies of Daniel and John should not be understood till the time of the end: .... But in the very end, the Prophecy should be so far interpreted as to convince many." (Part II. Observations Upon the Apocalypse of St. John. Chap 1)

Stratos wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 5:53am:


Indeed it is. But if you wait to see the dead rising before you repent, my errant friend, it will be too late. As C. S. Lewis put it:

"God is going to invade this earth in force. But what's the good of saying you're on his side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else, something it never entered your head to conceive comes crashing in. Something so beautiful to us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left. This time it will be God without disguise; something so overwhelming that it will strike either irresistible love, or irresistible horror into every creature. It will be too late then to choose your side. There is no use saying you choose to lie down, when it's become impossible to stand up. That will not be the time for choosing; it will be the time when we discover which side we really have chosen, whether we realize it or not. Now, today, in this moment, is our chance to choose the right side. God is holding back to give us that chance. It will not last forever; we must take it or leave it."

Stratos wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 5:53am:


It isn't ad hominem when the Godlessness of the person is completely germane to the argument.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Just as you demonstrate throughout this thread you are unable to understand the things of the Spirit of God.
But the stunning thing is, again, your compromised cognitive function and resulting incapacity for critical thought.

You recognize that the restoration of Jews to Israel is fulfillment of prophecy, and thus of the inspired Word of the Lord.
Yet you reject that same God that arranged all of that to come to pass over a period of 3500 years, as confirmed through history and present day reality. You even reject what you recognize as objective reality, because of your insistence on a personal misunderstanding of a verse!

Now a person with proper cognitive function, would first begin with the REALITY of fulfilled prophecy that they understood, and then go back and consider a better way to understand the verse that is giving them difficulty.

What you are in effect saying is that you believe in God, but prefer to suffer the consequences of rejecting, the very same God that you believe exists because He arranged prophecy and its fulfillment.
There is likely an appropriate clinical term for this.
I wish I had more patience to entertain your irrational, impaired cognitive function, but unfortunately I do not.