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ASIO actions against islamic security concerns
Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:18am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am:
Can you give more details please?


Why, certainly. (Comet Nicole will return for a fly-by of Planet Earth in a couples of years time to make yet another single post before once again heading for the Outer Solar System in her endless travels).

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A MAN with an "extremist interpretation of Islam" has lost his appeal against ASIO's assessment that he should be denied Australian citizenship because he was "likely to engage in activities prejudicial to security".

The man, whose name has been suppressed, asked the Administrative Appeals Tribunal to overturn ASIO's assessment that his application for Australian citizenship should be rejected because he was a security risk.


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In evidence, CXQY said he was born a Sunni Muslim and arrived in Australia in 2005 to study and to live in a free, democratic society. He said he applied for citizenship because he had wanted to become a policeman.


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Question: Why haven't the idiots in charge of national security deported this Muslim yet?
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Re: Islamisation-by-stealth alive and well ...
Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:38am
 
Gandalf do you mind if I start a new thread on that issue?
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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:52am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:38am:
Gandalf do you mind if I start a new thread on that issue?


As per the riot act:

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4. Excessive and unnecessary new threads. Generally, if you want to make a post that is relevant to an existing thread, post it in that thread rather than start a new one.


Should be rather self-explanatory.

If its this issue of security and citizenship, the it probably should have its own thread, since we have strayed a long way from the original topic of segregated meetings at universities.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: ASIO actions against islamic security concerns
Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:25pm
 
Yes, that's the article Herbert. Good find. Smiley
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:42pm
 
Gandalf also posted an article about a woman representing these men. The lawyer said she was not aware of any intention by these men to fight in Syria. The post got lost.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/asio-acting-to-prevent-australians-fighting-in-syrian-war-is-not-racist-20131209-2z1te.html

So now it has come to this. The Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, headed by David Irvine, has been depicted as ''racist''. Why? Well, because ASIO has acted to prevent young Australian Muslims from travelling to Syria to fight in a civil war against other Muslims. That's why, apparently.

On the weekend, it was reported that ASIO cancelled the passports of about 20 men from western Sydney. Australian intelligence officials believe that they are possessed of a ''jihadi mentality'' and are intent on travelling to Syria ''to engage in politically motivated violence''.

Monday's Herald carried a story that Abu Bakr, a 19-year-old Bankstown labourer, has been identified as one of the Australian citizens against whom ASIO has acted. He accused ASIO of racism. Bakr was subsequently interviewed on ABC radio 702 by Linda Mottram.

It was not Mottram's best interview and she gave the impression that she was avoiding the tough questions. Bakr denied that he wanted to fight in Syria. But he railed against ''killing innocent people, killing babies, killing the children [and] raping our women''. Bakr then declared: ''This is what the Americans and Israelis and the Alawites agree with - but I do not agree with this.''

In Syria, there is overwhelming evidence that children, women and men are being bombed and women raped. Neither the US nor Israel are militarily involved in Syria, which has become essentially a battleground between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

Syria's ruler, Bashar al-Assad, presides over an Alawite regime. The Alawite religion is a sect of Shiite Islam. In the appalling civil war, Assad has the support of the Shiites - primarily the government of Iran and Hezbollah. The opponents of the Assad regime are primarily Sunni Muslims, including many foreign fighters.

In its 2012-13 report to Parliament, ASIO comments that ''the Syrian conflict has resonated strongly in Australia, partly because of deep familial ties to Lebanon that exist here''. According to ASIO, ''as at 30 June, 2013, four Australians were known to have been killed in Syria''.

ASIO has also commented that a ''byproduct of the Syrian conflict has been sporadic incidents of small-scale communal violence along the line of the Middle East's Sunni-Shi'a divide''.

Bakr may, or may not, want to travel to Syria. But some Australian Muslims have done so. One, from Queensland, became the first known Australian to have taken part in a car bomb murder/suicide attack. He was a Sunni and died while fighting with the al-Qaeda-linked Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist organisation.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims killed or injured over the past two decades have been the victims of other Muslims. The avoidance of this issue makes it possible for the likes of Bakr to present themselves as fighting against Americans or Israelis.

The number of radical Islamists in Australia appears to be relatively small. However, it is not in Australia's national interest that its citizens, however few, become radicalised and skilled with weapons while engaging in civil wars.

Last weekend, police arrested and charged a Sydney disability pensioner with running a complicated scheme to enlist young Australian Muslims to fight with such Islamist terrorist movements as Jabhat al-Nusra against the Assad regime. Such recruitment is common in Europe and North America.

Australians have good reason to appreciate the work of intelligence agencies and Commonwealth, state and territory police to prevent terrorist attacks within Australia. When launching the national security strategy in January, then prime minister Julia Gillard addressed the issue of domestic terrorism. She said ''here, at home, numerous terrorist plots have been thwarted and 23 convictions have resulted from the prosecution of those who planned such attacks''.

In all cases, the accused Islamists were found guilty by juries. All received substantial prison sentences, despite the fact that some came before left-liberal judges. All the major convictions have prevailed when appeals were made. In short, what Gillard referred to were serious unsuccessful plans to kill and injure Australian children, women and men going about their everyday activities.

There is no suggestion that Australian Muslims intent on fighting in Syria want to harm Australia. However, it is believed that about a 10th of Islamists who fight overseas return radicalised to their home country.

In the November issue of Standpoint magazine, Douglas Murray documents how ''moderate movements in Islam have repeatedly lost to the hardliners''. Preventing radicals from fighting overseas is in the interest of the overwhelming majority of moderate Australian Muslims. It's not racist.
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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:43pm
 
@ Herbert:

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Question: Why haven't the idiots in charge of national security deported this Muslim yet?


Agreed.

Deeper question: how is importing these types beneficial to Australia? What can they do for us, except overload our police, jails, and centrelink offices?
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 6:17pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:18am:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:00am:
Can you give more details please?


Why, certainly. (Comet Nicole will return for a fly-by of Planet Earth in a couples of years time to make yet another single post before once again heading for the Outer Solar System in her endless travels).

Meanwhile ...

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A MAN with an "extremist interpretation of Islam" has lost his appeal against ASIO's assessment that he should be denied Australian citizenship because he was "likely to engage in activities prejudicial to security".

The man, whose name has been suppressed, asked the Administrative Appeals Tribunal to overturn ASIO's assessment that his application for Australian citizenship should be rejected because he was a security risk.


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In evidence, CXQY said he was born a Sunni Muslim and arrived in Australia in 2005 to study and to live in a free, democratic society. He said he applied for citizenship because he had wanted to become a policeman.


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Question: Why haven't the idiots in charge of national security deported this Muslim yet?


Herb, can you post the full article?

Im guessing ASIO are just taking pre emptive actions and mentions that the individual is likely to be a threat to our security.Id like to see more info or facts about the case.
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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:
He accused ASIO of racism.

Perhaps someone should point out to him that Islam is not a race.
It's the direct equivalent of suggesting that being against Nazism, or any other imperialistic power, is racist.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Though it should be no surprise that Hitler and the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem - the Nazis and Muslims - were joined together toward their shared goal of genocide of Jews.
zionismchristian.com/hitler_and_mufti.htm

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him. (also #6983 #6984 #6985)

This popular Egyptian TV Imam, is the equivalent of TV preachers like Pat Roberts or Jack Van Impe here in the U.S.:
youtube.com/watch?v=viOfDdkonu8

Let alone that they are joined together unto this day in anti-Zionism, along with David Duke and the KKK, Jeremiah Wright, Muslims from around the world, Louis Farrakan and the "Nation of Islam", and secular groups like communist Soviets, the United Nations, George Soros and his Center for American Progress, white supremacists, Nazis, skinheads, and antisemites of all stripes.
zionismchristian.com/anti_zionism.htm#anti_zionists
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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:11pm
 
Good onya ASIO.
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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:
There is no suggestion that Australian Muslims intent on fighting in Syria want to harm Australia.

As long as one doesn't think Islamic Sharia law would harm Australia, since that is what the majority of Muslims around the world want.
Though only a tiny minority would need to want that, armed with beheading knives in one hand to modify the views of their peacenick "hypocrite" brethren, while being perfectly supported by the Quran and Hadith in their other hand.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#muslim_hypocrites

freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:
However, it is believed that about a 10th of Islamists who fight overseas return radicalised..........

A better term might be something like "fundamentalized", since they return from the cradle of the religion as true Muslims, that GET Islam, and do what they can to do as Muhammad did and commanded his followers to do.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:42pm:
....... to their home country.

I doubt it matters whether they go overseas or not. I am going to guess that in Australia, like here in the U.S., the Saudis are primarily responsible for financing and building Islamic centers and mosques. Especially on or near college campuses, where heads full of mush are as malleable as Play-Doh, as evidenced by the antisemitism and anti-Zionism that is sweeping across college campuses. The Saudis are exporting Islamic sharia law around the world, where it is rapidly replacing laws of sovereign States, like Nigeria. The Saudis OWN Islam worldwide.

I went to hear a speaker that had infiltrated a mosque in the U.S., at which only about 10% of the women wore head coverings (like in Egypt a half century ago).
An Imam came from Saudi Arabia (in essence an emissary from the true owners of the mosque) and literally lived in the mosque for a week or two (I forgot how long, could even be a month). Shortly after he left only about 10% of the women were not wearing head coverings.

"A large majority of mosques in the United States are led by Wahhabi clerics. Wahhabism is an extreme brand of Islam practiced dominantly in Saudi Arabia. According to Muslim estimates, up to 80 percent of mosques in the U.S. are owned, operated and led by Wahhabis."
clarionproject.org/threat/homegrown-threat/us-mosques

The article incorrectly characterizes true fundamental followers of Muhammad, as peddling "an extreme brand" of Islam. Saudis are Sunni Muslims.
jcpa.org/article/sunni-vs-shiite-in-saudi-arabia/

For pity's sake. The Saudis are the ones that profit, off of the rituals "performed" by the "children of the flesh" at the Kaaba, as Arabian pagan's did before Muhammad was ever born.
brotherpete.com/children_flesh.htm

Mosques are the military headquarters of the aggressive, imperialistic, militant, murderous, cult of Muhammadanism.
youtube.com/watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE

The Saudis OWN Islam worldwide. Thus it is perhaps not a stretch to say they either do, or will, OWN the hearts and minds of Muhammad's followers worldwide.
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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:52pm
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:56pm:
I went to hear a speaker that had infiltrated a mosque in the U.S., at which only about 10% of the women wore head coverings (like in Egypt a half century ago).
An Imam came from Saudi Arabia (in essence an emissary from the true owners of the mosque) and literally lived in the mosque for a week or two (I forgot how long, could even be a month). Shortly after he left only about 10% of the women were not wearing head coverings.


Whats wrong with women wearing head coverings?
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:24pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:52pm:
Whats wrong with women wearing head coverings?


The point wasn't about whether women should wear head coverings or not, but that it took the Saudi Imam - the true follower of Muhammad - to spank the western peacenick "hypocrite" mosque attendees into submission.
Just as the same guys built mosques and Islamic centers all around the world, as planning centers for the imperialistic conquest of Islamic Jihad.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#sharia_in_america
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Reply #12 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:30pm
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:
The point wasn't about whether women should wear head coverings or not, but that it took the Saudi Imam - the true follower of Muhammad - to spank the western peacenick "hypocrite" mosque attendees into submission.


Look, sorry if I'm not as easily swayed as you, but i'm really not getting the hats=planning centers for the imperialistic conquest of Islamic Jihad vibe
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:35pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:30pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:
The point wasn't about whether women should wear head coverings or not, but that it took the Saudi Imam - the true follower of Muhammad - to spank the western peacenick "hypocrite" mosque attendees into submission.


Look, sorry if I'm not as easily swayed as you, but i'm really not getting the hats=planning centers for the imperialistic conquest of Islamic Jihad vibe


You aren't getting it because your capacity for critical thought and absence of a love of truth, would seem as compromised as Muhammad's follower's generally is, which leads me increasingly to conclude that you are a follower of Muhammad engaged deep in Islamic taqiyyah/dissimulation or at a minimum as deluded by Muhammadanism as they are.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/strong_delusion.htm
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Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:56pm
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:35pm:
You aren't getting it because your capacity for critical thought


OK, so lets think critically.  Lets look at the evidence that wearing hats leads to Jihad, which is what you are currently claiming.  In the absence of any evidence, I will rationally agree that there is no link between the two until proven otherwise.

I'm sure you will come up with some excuse as to why there is none or try the change the subject.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:35pm:
conclude that you are a follower of Muhammad engaged deep in Islamic taqiyyah/dissimulation


Never mind that what you are describing is not taqiyya, and are hence not showing a "love of truth", but seriously?  Based on your nonexistant evidence of being what I stand up for I must be an Islamic homosexual refugee.  Again, your thought process is far from rational
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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