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Reply #45 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:47pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:42pm:
Dear oh dear, more misleading statements that aren't even relevant now.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Coupled with the fact that Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of the 100,000 to 180,000 Christians martyred around the world every year.


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More than four million are estimated to have been killed in that war between 2000 and 2010, and CSGC counts 900,000 of them - or 20% - as martyrs.

Over 10 years, that averages out at 90,000 per year.

So when you hear that 100,000 Christians are dying for their faith, you need to keep in mind that the vast majority - 90,000 - are people who were killed in DR Congo.

This means we can say right away that the internet rumours of Muslims being behind the killing of 100,000 Christian martyrs are nonsense. The DRC is a Christian country. In the civil war, Christians were killing Christians.


Why not try an answer this time? So, would a rational person with normal cognitive function and a capacity for critical thought conclude that
I
was making the
claim
that:

1. It is Islam itself, the Quran and Hadith, Islam's Imams and Muftis and true Muslims that do as Muhammad did and commanded his people to do are responsible for Islamic Jihad, as confirmed by 1400 years of history and the murder, mayhem and misery spread around the world by Islam today?

Or that based on the evidence that
I claim
:

2. "Lets look at the evidence that
wearing hats leads to Jihad
, which is what you are currently claiming."

Which do you think that a sane and rational person with normal cognitive function, and even the most minute capacity for critical thought, would suggest that I actually claim?
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Reply #46 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm
 
Your main piece of evidence was an increase in headscarves, and then said that the centers were being set up as planning centers for the imperialistic conquest of Islamic Jihad by the same people who caused the increase in headscarf wearing.  You may have other evidence to support it, but you decided to use head coverings for some reason.

i said I didn't see a correlation between headscarves and militant Jihad.  You said I couldn't' see it because quote "You aren't getting it because your capacity for critical thought and absence of a love of truth". 

Ironic seeing as you have already been misleading about what taqiyya is, and in your previous post about martyrs is also falsified or incorrect, as you try and score points against Islam with the spilled blood of your own brothers and sisters in Christ.
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Reply #47 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 12:04am
 
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Re: ASIO actions against islamic security concerns
Reply #48 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:02am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
Your main piece of evidence was an increase in headscarves, ........


And there it is for all to see. Complete cognitive dysfunction.

Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
........ and then said that the centers were being set up as planning centers for the imperialistic conquest of Islamic Jihad by the same people who caused the increase in headscarf wearing.


Which is easily recognized in a review of ALL the EVIDENCE, for sane and rational people, that haven't divorced themselves from objective reality.
For those that don't share Stratos dysfunction, a good primer on fundamentalization is: Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, in which they show Saudi Imams preaching directly into English mosques streaming on TV.

Memri TV includes lots of videos that expose the true hearts and minds of Imams and Muftis throughout the Middle East cradle of Muhammadanism, when they are addressing their congregations in Arabic, regarding true fundamental Muslim's duty of violent Jihad.
Here's a popular Egyptian TV Imam for example:

youtube.com/watch?v=viOfDdkonu8

Of course teaching straight from Islamic texts that inspire the imperialistic conquest of Islamic Jihad and lust for genocide:

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him. (also #6983 #6984 #6985)

Just as Muhammad himself engaged in:
brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
You may have other evidence to support it, but you decided to use head coverings for some reason.


No I used head coverings for ONE reason, that you removed from context, and assigned to it your ridiculous notion that was completely divorced from the context of the post.

And now you go from lying by assigning false claims to me, to actually believing through your dysfunction, that you could know my decision making process.
Just another lie since I KNOW I DECIDED to support it with a wealth of evidence, as I have throughout my posting history in this forum.

I have never chatted with someone who could so, quite literally, be described as the devil's advocate. Even as atheists, and agnostics like you are #2 on their hit list!

Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
i said I didn't see a correlation between headscarves and militant Jihad.


Exactly. It is your incapacity to think critically, that prevented you from understanding, within the whole context of the post.
Then you assigned to me your own failure to read and comprehend, as being a claim that I made, that hats lead to Jihad.

Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
You said I couldn't' see it because quote "You aren't getting it because your capacity for critical thought and absence of a love of truth".


That is correct. And perhaps even more so from your having divorced your intellect from objective reality.

Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
Ironic seeing as you have already been misleading about what taqiyya is, ...........


I used the Arabic term "taqiyyah" as a friendly substitute for Islamic "lying" and "dissimulation". You can WISH it were practiced, any way you desire it was, but that isn't the reality. I present it in a manner that should be understandable to any rational person, through the buffoonery of popular Greek sophist styled entertainers and lying antichrists like Ahmed Deedat and Yusuf Estes:
falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#taqiyyah

Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:56pm:
........... and in your previous post about martyrs is also falsified or incorrect, as you try and score points against Islam with the spilled blood of your own brothers and sisters in Christ.


Why would anyone expect an antichrist to honestly investigate the Islamic slaughter of Christians (and others) all around the world?

From the Hoover Institute: "Few people realize that we are today living through the largest persecution of Christians in history, worse even than the famous attacks under ancient Roman emperors like Diocletian and Nero. Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million. According to one estimate, a Christian is martyred every five minutes. And most of this persecution is taking place at the hands of Muslims. Of the top fifty
countries
persecuting Christians, forty-two have either a Muslim majority or have sizeable Muslim populations.
"

And if I'm not mistaken, this may be the second time I have pointed out to you, that you argue like a holocaust denying reprobate. That is, that it is the number of killed that should be focused on, rather than the matter of fact that the murder is taking place, and exactly what is behind it.

As far as location goes, visit this link to what is going on in Nigeria:
nigeriacalabash.com/content/attack-christians-11-2011

Scroll down to the bottom of the page at religionofpeace.com for a meticulously detailed log of the Islamic murder of non-Muslims as well as their fellow Muslims that they consider incorrect, and where it is taking place.
thereligionofpeace.com
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Re: ASIO actions against islamic security concerns
Reply #49 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48am
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:02am:
That is, that it is the number of killed that should be focused on, rather than the matter of fact that the murder is taking place, and exactly what is behind it.


You know i never disputed the number actually, I disputed your claim that was:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Coupled with the fact that Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of the 100,000 to 180,000 Christians martyred around the world every year.


Which is wrong in almost every respect.  Oh and grats on hitting the Godwin button. 

Muslims are not responsible for the vast majority of Christian deaths every year
The statistic is misleading, as the numbers are greatly influenced by a handful of conflicts that happened which were Christians against Christians
There is no evidence to show that they were martyred, as in killed for their faith.

Your continual behavior to lie and misrepresent the deaths of thousands of your brothers and sisters to fuel your own hate about Islam is reprehensible.
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Reply #50 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:49am
 
Gandalf does the same thing. I spend more time trying to explain to him that I did not actually say what he thinks in his wild fantasies.
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Reply #51 - Jan 4th, 2014 at 11:39am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:42pm:
Dear oh dear, more misleading statements that aren't even relevant now.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Coupled with the fact that Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of the 100,000 to 180,000 Christians martyred around the world every year.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24864587

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More than four million are estimated to have been killed in that war between 2000 and 2010, and CSGC counts 900,000 of them - or 20% - as martyrs.

Over 10 years, that averages out at 90,000 per year.

So when you hear that 100,000 Christians are dying for their faith, you need to keep in mind that the vast majority - 90,000 - are people who were killed in DR Congo.

This means we can say right away that the internet rumours of Muslims being behind the killing of 100,000 Christian martyrs are nonsense. The DRC is a Christian country. In the civil war, Christians were killing Christians.


Ibid:
"One has to see that there is no scientific number at the moment. It has not been researched and all experts in this area are very hesitant to give a figure," he says.

"We are starting a research project with several universities worldwide on this topic and there we start with a guess of 7-8,000 Christians killed as martyrs each year."

But to some extent this number crunching is besides the point for author John Allen.

"I think it would be good to have reliable figures on this issue, but I don't think it ultimately matters in terms of the point of my book, which is to break through the narrative that tends to dominate discussion in the West - that Christians can't be persecuted because they belong to the world's most powerful church.

"The truth is two thirds of the 2.3 billion Christians in the world today live… in dangerous neighbourhoods. They are often poor. They often belong to ethnic, linguistic and cultural minorities. And they are often at risk.

"And ultimately I think making that point is more important than being precise about the death toll."


Elsewhere in the news, the monthly round-up of Muslim persecution of Christians:
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/category/muslim-persecution-of-christians/

In which country, where Muslims are today in a minority, are Muslim civilians systematically murdered by the Christian majority mobs?




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Reply #52 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48am:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 1:02am:
That is, that it is the number of killed that should be focused on, rather than the matter of fact that the murder is taking place, and exactly what is behind it.


You know i never disputed the number actually, I disputed your claim that was:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Coupled with the fact that Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of the 100,000 to 180,000 Christians martyred around the world every year.


Which is wrong in almost every respect.  Oh and grats on hitting the Godwin button. 

Muslims are not responsible for the vast majority of Christian deaths every year


This is true. Things such as heart attack, stroke, cancer and natural causes are responsible for the majority of Christian deaths every year.

Stratos wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48am:
The statistic is misleading, as the numbers are greatly influenced by a handful of conflicts that happened which were Christians against Christians


A preposterous lie in the light of the evidence. But then you are the devil's advocate. A mouthpiece for the father of lies, which isn't just an empty claim of mine:

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

It isn't about what I say. That's why I quoted:

From the Hoover Institute: "Few people realize that we are today living through the largest persecution of Christians in history, worse even than the famous attacks under ancient Roman emperors like Diocletian and Nero. Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million. According to one estimate, a Christian is martyred every five minutes. And most of this persecution is taking place at the hands of Muslims. Of the top fifty countries persecuting Christians, forty-two have either a Muslim majority or have sizeable Muslim populations."
Full article:
hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/152651

raymondibrahim.com

persecution.org

gatestoneinstitute.org/3033/muslim-persecution-of-christians-march-2012

barnabasfund.org

Here's a snapshot from just the country of Nigeria Calabash:
nigeriacalabash.com/content/attack-christians-11-2011
12/28/2012 Musari: Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah.
12/26/2012 Bachit: Suspected Fulani murder three villagers, including a married couple, in attacks on two Christian homes.
12/25/2012 Peri: A pastor and five worshippers are slaughtered in a Religion of Peace attack on a Christmas morning church service.
12/25/2012 Rim: A Christian is killed in his home by Fulani gunmen in front of his family.
12/24/2012 Maiduguri: Six people are killed in a Christmas Eve church attack by Religion of Peace gunmen.
12/6/2012 Yankaba: Two Christian teenagers are executed by gunmen on a motorcycle yelling, 'Allah akbar'.
12/2/2012 Chibok: Religion of Peace proponents invade a Christian village in the middle of the night and massacre ten residents.
12/1/2012 Gamboru Ngala: Two guards die when Muslims shouting 'Allah Akbar' burn churches.
11/25/2012 Jaji: Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church.
11/22/2012 Bichi: Angry Muslims riot, burn churches and kills four Christians over a rumor of blasphemy concerning a t-shirt."

Stratos wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48am:
There is no evidence to show that they were martyred, as in killed for their faith.


If you mean that those women and children that had their throats slit in their church, could not testify as to their faith afterward, that would be correct.
Same with the 78 murdered in the church bombing in Pakistan, though the over 100 injured can still testify to their faith.
tribune.com.pk/story/607734/fifteen-dead-in-suicide-attack-outside-peshawar-chur
ch/

Stratos wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48am:
Your continual behavior to lie and misrepresent the deaths of thousands of your brothers and sisters to fuel your own hate about Islam is reprehensible.


My hatred of Islam, is an expression of my Christian love, for those deceived into following the false prophet Muhammad alone.
falseprophetmuhammad.com
For those thus consumed by the spirit of antichrist as a result:
falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

For those poor souls so sorely deluded by by Satan, through his STAND-ALONE 7th century false prophet Muhammad, who fills his followers with complete resolve to specifically DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and thus REJECT the shed blood of the Lamb of God, and DENY the Son of God, AS ARTICLES OF THEIR FAITH in Muhammad alone.
islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

It is an antichrist agnostic's defense of Muhammad's scripture-contrary, counter-religion with a pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical or archaeological record that preceded the 5th century, that is reprehensible.
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Reply #53 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:35am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Gandalf does the same thing. I spend more time trying to explain to him that I did not actually say what he thinks in his wild fantasies.


I get mainly non-responsiveness from gandalf, for good reason:
ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196/20#20
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Reply #54 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 2:18am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 4th, 2014 at 8:48am:
Oh and grats on hitting the Godwin button.


Being unfamiliar with the term I googled it and found:

"....an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches."

Which should certainly be no surprise regarding any honest discussion about Islam. Unless, of course the discussion began, with the subject of Muslim Nazis.

But in this case it isn't a "comparison" as much as a matter of historical fact that the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem worked hand in hand with Hitler toward genocide of Jews. With several Muslim Nazi SS divisions and a Muslim panzer division in Hitlers army.
zionismchristian.com/hitler_and_mufti.htm

No surprise then to find that Muslims, Nazis, skinheads, the KKK, white supremacists, communist Soviets, Louis Farrakan and the "Nation of Islam", George Soros and his Center for American Progress and anti-Semites of all stripes, are anti-Zionist today.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
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Reply #55 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:54am
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
A preposterous lie in the light of the evidence.


What evidence?  The statistic was incorrect because it includes conflicts that are not against Muslims, and includes Christians who are not killed for their religion, which means they are not martyred.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million


Under assault =/= martyr, which was your original claim.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
If you mean that those women and children that had their throats slit in their church, could not testify as to their faith afterward, that would be correct.
Same with the 78 murdered in the church bombing in Pakistan, though the over 100 injured can still testify to their faith.


This does not support your claim that between 100 000 -180 000 Christians are martyred every year, mostly by Muslims.  Which I very much doubt you can come up with evidence with.  Stop misrepresenting your dead brothers and sisters Peter. 

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
It is an antichrist agnostic's defense of Muhammad's scripture-contrary, counter-religion with a pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical or archaeological record that preceded the 5th century, that is reprehensible.


Right, and apparently that makes it OK to use your dead brothers and sisters to try and score points against Islam.  Or maybe you think it's OK to deceive people in the name of religion as you so often criticise Islam for.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #56 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 7:54am:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
A preposterous lie in the light of the evidence.


What evidence?  The statistic was incorrect because it includes conflicts that are not against Muslims, and includes Christians who are not killed for their religion, which means they are not martyred.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million


Under assault =/= martyr, which was your original claim.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
If you mean that those women and children that had their throats slit in their church, could not testify as to their faith afterward, that would be correct.
Same with the 78 murdered in the church bombing in Pakistan, though the over 100 injured can still testify to their faith.


This does not support your claim that between 100 000 -180 000 Christians are martyred every year, mostly by Muslims.  Which I very much doubt you can come up with evidence with.  Stop misrepresenting your dead brothers and sisters Peter. 

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:31am:
It is an antichrist agnostic's defense of Muhammad's scripture-contrary, counter-religion with a pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical or archaeological record that preceded the 5th century, that is reprehensible.


Right, and apparently that makes it OK to use your dead brothers and sisters to try and score points against Islam.  Or maybe you think it's OK to deceive people in the name of religion as you so often criticise Islam for.


Complain to the Pope about the number.
firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/05/29/vatican-to-un-more-than-100000-ch
ristians-killed-for-their-faith-each-year/

Let alone that your foolishness presumes they can all be counted, even as they are slaughtered throughout much of the undeveloped African continent, let alone jungles and obscure backwaters, all around the world.

Your comical defense of a murderous cult is really quite amusing, when the historical record tells us that after a conquest Muhammad's followers simply slaughtered atheists and agnostics such as yourself, out of hand, rather than allowing them the "privilege" of being bled in the slavery of dhimmitude, as they did Christians and Jews.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm

They still persecute and murder Muslims that become atheists and agnostics unto this day.
youtube.com/watch?v=PzFlBIV1_Uc
youtube.com/watch?v=OeYTR8glumo

And as I mentioned before, it is antichrists such as yourself and holocaust deniers, that distract themselves away from the whole subject by focusing on the number of the slain as if that is what matters, rather than focusing on the reason that Christians are being martyred all around the world, mainly by Muhammad's followers.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

You are simply further confirming your inability to grasp objective reality.
The reason is the same that Christians have been persecuted and martyred for nearly 2,000 years.
That reason of course is the spirit of antichrist that fills Satan's people.
But as Christians have been well aware throughout the last 2,000 years, it comes with the turf and will continue to, until Christ returns:

Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will  live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
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Reply #57 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 4:13pm
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
Let alone that your foolishness presumes they can all be counted, even as they are slaughtered throughout much of the undeveloped African continent, let alone jungles and obscure backwaters, all around the world.


You are arguing with yourself now.   You were the one who provided a number.  I just showed you why it was incorrect

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
Complain to the Pope about the number.

.
1.  It's not the pope, its a vatican representative.
2. Based on your previous statements I'm pretty sure you are not a Catholic, so a better question is why do YOU not question the number.
3.  The number is bloated and incorrect as it involves conflicts between Christians, and Christians who are NOT killed for their faith, which means they are not martyrs.

How do you think your fallen brothers and sisters would feel about you lying about their deaths? 

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
Your comical defense of a murderous cult is really quite amusing


I'm not defending Islam here actually, i'm simply arguing against your blatant and clear lies about the numbers of Christian martyrs. 

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
They still persecute and murder Muslims that become atheists and agnostics unto this day.


Correct in some areas yes.  Still doesn't support your wrong statistics.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
that distract themselves away from the whole subject by focusing on the number of the slain as if that is what matters


More hypocritical arguments, when you yourself was the one who posted numbers regarding the number of Christians who were "martyred"

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
mainly by Muhammad's followers


Again, the statistics you posted when looked into revealed that the majority of Christians that count towards that statistic were in fact killed by other Christians.
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Re: ASIO actions against islamic security concerns
Reply #58 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:10pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
Let alone that your foolishness presumes they can all be counted, even as they are slaughtered throughout much of the undeveloped African continent, let alone jungles and obscure backwaters, all around the world.


You are arguing with yourself now.   You were the one who provided a number.  I just showed you why it was incorrect

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
Complain to the Pope about the number.

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1.  It's not the pope, its a vatican representative.


You are the one that is arguing for the sake of argument.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
2. Based on your previous statements I'm pretty sure you are not a Catholic, ........


Which is completely irrelevant, and a comically transparent dodge, now that you realize you can't assign the number to me alone. Satan has you out striving to minimize Islam's murder, mayhem and misery.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
........ so a better question is why do YOU not question the number.


Typical liberal. Shoot the messenger. Still arguing the number and avoiding the reason for Christian persecution, while the same spirit resides in you.

“an estimated 176,000 Christians were martyred from mid-2008 to mid-2009."
google.com/#q=176%2C000+Christians+were+martyred+from+mid-2008+to+mid-2009

The question is why you cannot even seem to imagine, the additional massive number martyred in the third world, that are never even counted.

While you have deluded yourself into believing you had once been a Christian, it is a shame you never stopped to wonder just what it is about born again Christians with a life in Jesus Christ, that makes them so willing to die for what they believe in.
Much less wonder what it is about Muhammad's followers, that make them want to murder us.

Quran Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay
and are slain:
a promise binding on Him in
truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and
the Qur'an:
.....
falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
3.  The number is bloated and incorrect as it involves conflicts between Christians, and Christians who are NOT killed for their faith, which means they are not martyrs.

How do you think your fallen brothers and sisters would feel about you lying about their deaths? 

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
Your comical defense of a murderous cult is really quite amusing


I'm not defending Islam here actually,..........


You have done nothing but defend, excuse away and minimize Islam's murder, mayhem and misery spread all around the world, since I have been in this forum.

Stratos wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
.......... i'm simply arguing against your blatant and clear lies about the numbers of Christian martyrs.


I would suggest you are running and hiding from THE REASON, because you now realize you share the same spirit of antichrist, with those that are committing the atrocities.

Stratos wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
They still persecute and murder Muslims that become atheists and agnostics unto this day.


Correct in some areas yes.  Still doesn't support your wrong statistics.


The numbers.

Stratos wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
that distract themselves away from the whole subject by focusing on the number of the slain as if that is what matters


More hypocritical arguments, when you yourself was the one who posted numbers regarding the number of Christians who were "martyred"


The numbers.

Stratos wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
mainly by Muhammad's followers


Again, the statistics you posted when looked into revealed that the majority of Christians that count towards that statistic were in fact killed by other Christians.


Again the numbers, while avoiding the subject. What about the spirit? What do you suppose makes you hate Jesus so much?

What makes one third of mankind in the world today believe that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected from the dead, as revealed through the prophets and witnesses of the 1600 year record of revelation of the one true God to mankind, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years.

While a directly opposing one quarter of mankind in the ANTI-religion of Islam are required to DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, and thus REJECT the sin-atoning shed blood of the Messiah, and DENY the Son of God - AS ARTICLES OF THEIR FAITH in Muhammad alone.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/muhammad_islam_in_bible_prophecy.htm

Your cognitive dysfunction, incapacity for critical thought, and intellect divorced from objective reality, do offer insight into why only about 4% of citizens here in the U.S. are smart enough to believe there is no God.
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Re: ASIO actions against islamic security concerns
Reply #59 - Jan 5th, 2014 at 9:35pm
 
Shocked Shocked  That's some dysfunctional thinking alright.
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