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Reply #60 - Jan 5^th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

You are the one that is arguing for the sake of argument.

Actually, I'm arguing because you are defending blatantly incorrect data.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Satan has you out striving to minimize Islam's murder, mayhem and misery.

I'm not minmising anything actually, I'm simply showing that accepting a completely incorrect statistic just because it supports your argument is incredible misleading.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Typical liberal. Shoot the messenger

Your data is wrong and you have been shown specifically why and how yet still continue to believe and defend the numbers. This isn't simply being wrong for you anymore, it's deliberately lying and misleading to try and push your agenda.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Typical liberal

Just FYI Liberals are conservatives in Australia Wink

Down under logic I know.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

You have done nothing but defend, excuse away and minimize Islam's murder, mayhem and misery spread all around the world, since I have been in this forum.

And lying about statistics is good for your argument how exactly?

The statistics are incorrect, read some of the following to shed some light on it for you in case you didn't read the links before.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24864587

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/september/counting-cost-accurately.html
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The number 100,000 is a well-meant but gross exaggeration

http://www.thomasschirrmacher.net/blog/a-response-to-the-high-counts-of-christia...

If you have any resources that demonstrate otherwise, please post them here and I will read them, but everything I have read is either in response to the Vatican spokesperson, or saying the numbers are a gross misrepresentation.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: ASIO actions against islamic security concerns
Reply #61 - Jan 5^th, 2014 at 11:58pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:35pm:

That's some dysfunctional thinking alright.

There's no shortage of intellectuals that set out to reinforce their disbelief, that after honestly considering the evidence that they had specifically avoided in the past, enjoy a life in Jesus Christ today.

"Randall Niles was the definitive skeptic, critic, and cynic. Forged in the fires of Georgetown, Oxford, and Berkeley, Randall's peers knew him as a "practicing atheist." Then, in what seemed to be overnight, people witnessed a dramatic shift in his life. Go on a journey with Randall as he poses questions, explores assumptions, and challenges his long-held preconceptions about life, purpose, and meaning."

allaboutthejourney.org

islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm

beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

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Reply #62 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am

Stratos wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

You are the one that is arguing for the sake of argument.

Actually, I'm arguing because you are defending blatantly incorrect data.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Satan has you out striving to minimize Islam's murder, mayhem and misery.

I'm not minmising anything actually, I'm simply showing that accepting a completely incorrect statistic just because it supports your argument is incredible misleading.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Typical liberal. Shoot the messenger

Your data is wrong and you have been shown specifically why and how yet still continue to believe and defend the numbers. This isn't simply being wrong for you anymore, it's deliberately lying and misleading to try and push your agenda.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Typical liberal

Just FYI Liberals are conservatives in Australia Wink

Down under logic I know.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

You have done nothing but defend, excuse away and minimize Islam's murder, mayhem and misery spread all around the world, since I have been in this forum.

And lying about statistics is good for your argument how exactly?

The statistics are incorrect, read some of the following to shed some light on it for you in case you didn't read the links before.

bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24864587[/url]

christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/september/counting-cost-accurately.html
[/url]
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The number 100,000 is a well-meant but gross exaggeration

thomasschirrmacher.net/blog/a-response-to-the-high-counts-of-christian-martyrs-p
er-year/[/url]

If you have any resources that demonstrate otherwise, please post them here and I will read them, but everything I have read is either in response to the Vatican spokesperson, or saying the numbers are a gross misrepresentation.

Look at you going on and on, in post after post after post, about the number martyred as if that were what mattered. Just like a holocaust denier, that runs and hides from the actual subject, through the same device. Running and hiding from discussion about the REASON Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of Christians martyred around the world every year.

From the Hoover Institute: "Few people realize that we are today living through the largest persecution of Christians in history, worse even than the famous attacks under ancient Roman emperors like Diocletian and Nero. Estimates of the numbers of Christians under assault range from 100-200 million. According to one estimate, a Christian is martyred every five minutes. And most of this persecution is taking place at the hands of Muslims. Of the top fifty countries persecuting Christians, forty-two have either a Muslim majority or have sizeable Muslim populations."
falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

For those that are interested, from a Christian perspective, this is the reason:
1 John 2:22 He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.....
falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

You accuse me, as if I were the one that took the count, when it is instead a matter of you choosing to believe, what you choose to believe. Rather than accusing me, why not instead simply say you wish to reject the Vatican numbers, for the numbers that you choose to favor? Though very (down under style "conservative"?) of you to believe that you are the one with the sole franchise on truth, and everyone else must necessarily modify their understanding, to conform to your own. This, ironically, even as you follow the father of lies himself.

And I did post. Again:

"Vatican to UN: More than 100,000 Christians Killed for Their Faith Each Year"
firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/05/29/vatican-to-un-more-than-100000-ch

ristians-killed-for-their-faith-each-year/

“an estimated 176,000 Christians were martyred from mid-2008 to mid-2009."
google.com/#q=“an+estimated+176%2C000+Christians+were+martyred+from+mid-2008+to+
mid-2009."

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Reply #63 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:38am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 11:58pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:35pm:

That's some dysfunctional thinking alright.

There's no shortage of intellectuals that set out to reinforce their disbelief, that after honestly considering the evidence that they had specifically avoided in the past, enjoy a life in Jesus Christ today.

"Randall Niles was the definitive skeptic, critic, and cynic. Forged in the fires of Georgetown, Oxford, and Berkeley, Randall's peers knew him as a "practicing atheist." Then, in what seemed to be overnight, people witnessed a dramatic shift in his life. Go on a journey with Randall as he poses questions, explores assumptions, and challenges his long-held preconceptions about life, purpose, and meaning."
allaboutthejourney.org

I have no doubt about that at all. I am absolutely convinced people genuinely feel the rapture and the presence of god. I also think that we as a species have a unique sense of wonder that in turn has set in train an exploratory and experimental instinct that has made us a successful species second only to beetles and bacteria.

And I am not denigrating religion, I do not decry its effects on individuals but I am alive to the fact that it has a power that is not always beneficial. One day I may have a brain fart or bleed in a part of my brain and like yourself, see the light and feel the urge to proselytize.

Until that happens I consider anyone who attempts to engage debate with quotes from ancient religious texts or references to gods as brain damaged, which is not to say you are dumb or stupid, there are many brilliant people who believe in your particular god, lots of other brilliant people believe in other gods.

More like your god spot has been tickled and you have no control over sounding like a zealot. I hope for myself I never blow or trigger that fuse and end up sounding like you, but then if I did, I would never know any different. I would be assimilated.

Bit like the Borg really.

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Reply #64 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 1:04am

Datalife wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:38am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 11:58pm:

Datalife wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:35pm:

That's some dysfunctional thinking alright.

There's no shortage of intellectuals that set out to reinforce their disbelief, that after honestly considering the evidence that they had specifically avoided in the past, enjoy a life in Jesus Christ today.

"Randall Niles was the definitive skeptic, critic, and cynic. Forged in the fires of Georgetown, Oxford, and Berkeley, Randall's peers knew him as a "practicing atheist." Then, in what seemed to be overnight, people witnessed a dramatic shift in his life. Go on a journey with Randall as he poses questions, explores assumptions, and challenges his long-held preconceptions about life, purpose, and meaning."
allaboutthejourney.org

I have no doubt about that at all. I am absolutely sure people genuinely feel the rapture and the presence of god. I also think that we as a species have a unique sense of wonder that in turn has set in train an exploratory and experimental instinct that has made us a successful species second only to beetles and bacteria.

And I am not denigrating religion, I do not decry its effects on individuals but I am alive to the fact that it has a power that is not always beneficial.

Sadly that is true of religion, and conveniently so, for those who wish to run and hide from God, by judging such as the Roman Church murder of Jews, Muslims, AND CHRISTIANS as representing the Gospel, rather than turning to the Gospel to judge the specifically UNChristian behavior of men. Which if you did, would recognize that the world wouldn't be a half bad place if everyone followed Christian's most important commandments:

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Which is how you can easily estimate whether a person is a Christian or a - often self-deluded - poser.

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

It isn't too difficult to judge by the fruit, as evidenced all around the world, as to what the world might otherwise be like:

Repairing the disfigured and broken.
mercyships.org
youtube.com/watch?v=mc6qWJIm5II

Feeding and caring for children.
compassion.com

Freeing Islam's slaves in Africa.
youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc

Helping in disasters and helping to rehabilitate the homeless and get the broken back on their feet.
salvationarmyusa.org

Datalife wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:38am:

One day I may have a brain fart or bleed in a part of my brain and like yourself, see the light and feel the urge to proselytism.

Until that happens I consider anyone who attempts to engage debate with quotes from ancient religious texts or references to gods as brain damaged.

Like Isaac Newton for example.
As a 4%er (at least in the U.S.) how many years, months, days, hours, or minutes, have you spent in the study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, from which you have drawn your conclusions?
islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm
zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm

Datalife wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:38am:

Which is not to say you are dumb or stupid, there are many brilliant people who believe in your particular god, lots of other brilliant people believe in other gods.

More like your god spot has been tickled and you have no control over sounding like a zealot. I hope for myself I don't blow that fuse and end up sounding like you. but then if I did, I would never know any thing different.

Bit like the Borg really.

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Reply #65 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 3:59am

Sparky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 12:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:32am:

Sparky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:50am:

Why the F do Muslim woman wear head coverings? I know we've talked about it a million times but I still just don't understand.

who cares if they do.I wouldn't care two stuffs if a hindu wears a turban or a jew wears a skull cap.

I'll ask again. Why? I honestly want to know.

I have read it started in Mesopotamia to keep the meat white, you get more for white meat at the slave markets. Possibly why muslims still keep up this pagan tradition.

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Reply #66 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 4:15am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

do offer insight into why only about 4% of citizens here in the U.S. are smart enough to believe there is no God.

I noticed a headline in a newspaper the other day, did not read the article but "People who believe in God have thicker brains" certainly made me chuckle. It made me think, wonder if that's why 600 million muslims are illiterate.

For the record, once again. I am an atheist.

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Reply #67 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 5:34am

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 4:15am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

do offer insight into why only about 4% of citizens here in the U.S. are smart enough to believe there is no God.

I noticed a headline in a newspaper the other day, did not read the article but "People who believe in God have thicker brains" certainly made me chuckle. It made me think, wonder if that's why 600 million muslims are illiterate.

Probably the anti-intellectualism of Islam, and inbreeding, has more to do with it.
nytimes.com/2003/05/01/world/saudi-arabia-awakes-to-the-perils-of-inbreeding.htm
l?pagewanted=1

"Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh.

In some parts of Saudi Arabia, particularly in the south, where Mrs. Hefthi was raised, the rate of marriage among blood relatives ranges from 55 to 70 percent, among the highest rates in the world, according to the Saudi government."

Another article:
"Nicolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous results of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first-cousins.

This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguinous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies.

Sennels says that “the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.” He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.

In the last 1,200 years years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book."

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 4:15am:

For the record, once again. I am an atheist.

Could you indulge me with an answer to a question? Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to the study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, to decide against it in favor of atheism?
islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm
zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm
zionismchristian.com/daniel_prophesied_modern_zionism.htm

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Reply #68 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:42am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

Running and hiding from discussion about the REASON Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of Christians martyred

Well this might be true, but you haven't provided any evidence to support it yet. Thank you for the sources, I'll read through them and see what they say, and whether they back up your claim that 100 000- 180 000 Christians are martyred every year, and mostly by Muslims.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

Not a good start, the first source linked in the article is a Bing search which contradicts the article itself, by having the first article it comes up with 14000, and the second one agrees that the number of Christian martyrs is very hard to define and disputes the number too.

The next sourcehttp://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/152651 mentions that 100-200 million are "under assault" but offers no statistics on martyred Christians.

Then there are some reports of various tragedies, that while terrible, definitely do not add up to anywhere close to 100000-180000 a year.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

Contains no information or links about the number of Christians killed for their faith.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/05/29/vatican-to-un-mor
e-than-100000-ch

This has a single quote which has the number 100000, which as I have shown you, includes Christians who are not killed for their faith and as such are not martyrs, and the majority of deaths in the statistic are from civil wars. Even if it taken as gospel (and it shouldn't be, because it has been demonstrated it is wrong, and why it is), it is still a far cry from your maximum number of 180000.

Your statement is wrong Pete, simple as that. If you believe it otherwise come and prove it

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #69 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:43pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 5:34am:

Could you indulge me with an answer to a question? Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to the study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, to decide against it in favor of atheism?

I think it was about the age of 9 that god became a fallacy to me, at 18 or 19 started to read Philosophical books which confirmed my original thoughts were true, I have been happy ever since.

Most of the Old Testament is not true and cannot be proven. Abraham (one of the cornerstones of islam) and Moses did not exist they are just stories parables whatever, but not true. Bearing that in mind the muslim cult falls flat on its face as they did not exist Mo man told a lie, end of islam!

60 miles (as you are a yank) south of a town called Winton in the State of Queensland is a place named Larks Quarry. 70 million years ago a large dinosaur charged a flock of smaller ones the result is now a large building housing 3200 tracks for all that are interested to see.

70 million years ago god had not even been invented.

It is an amazing sight if you would like a picture of them pm me an email address file size about 9 to 14 meg

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Reply #70 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

Running and hiding from discussion about the REASON Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of Christians martyred

Well this might be true, but you haven't provided any evidence to support it yet. Thank you for the sources, I'll read through them and see what they say, and whether they back up your claim that 100 000- 180 000 Christians are martyred every year, and mostly by Muslims.

Mostly by whom then? You see Stratos, a person with a capacity for critical thought, has no difficulty connecting the dots and extrapolating. Who do you believe is responsible for most of the Christians martyred every year? Aborigines? Jews? Let's look at some of those dots:

CNS reports: "Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year [for 2011], according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)."
That's for the year 2011, and that percentage doesn't even include Shiite Muslim terrorist murders. Thus it should be obvious to all non-Muslims, that the world would be largely at peace today, if the followers of Muhammad had not been commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims in the "cause" of "Allah".

Can you connect the dots Stratos? Does that statistic communicate to you who is responsible for most of the Christians - as well as non-Christians - that were murdered by acts of terror, for openers?

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm

Not a good start, the first source linked in the article is a Bing search which contradicts the article itself, by having the first article it comes up with 14000, and the second one agrees that the number of Christian martyrs is very hard to define and disputes the number too.

The next source hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/152651 mentions that 100-200 million are "under assault" but offers no statistics on martyred Christians.

Then there are some reports of various tragedies, that while terrible, definitely do not add up to anywhere close to 100000-180000 a year.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

Contains no information or links about the number of Christians killed for their faith.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 12:29am:

firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/05/29/vatican-to-un-mor
e-than-100000-ch

This has a single quote which has the number 100000, which as I have shown you, includes Christians who are not killed for their faith and as such are not martyrs, and the majority of deaths in the statistic are from civil wars. Even if it taken as gospel (and it shouldn't be, because it has been demonstrated it is wrong, and why it is), it is still a far cry from your maximum number of 180000.

Your statement is wrong Pete, simple as that. If you believe it otherwise come and prove it

Why don't you stop dithering on about the numbers, until such time as you come up with a count of all of the uncounted, throughout the African continent as well as backwaters and jungles all around the world.

You have mentioned that you are agnostic. Could you indulge me with an answer to a question, that Datalife and adamant for some reason, failed to answer?

Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, prior to your deciding to reject it in favor of agnosticism?

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Reply #71 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Mostly by whom then?

i don't know. Neither do you though, at least not through any statistics you provided.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year

Terrorist murders =/= martyrs.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, prior to your deciding to reject it in favor of agnosticism?

Of course not, what a request. I mean to minutes? how is anyone supposed to know that.

I attended a Christian group for three years before deciding to become one, then was a believer for eight years, if you are curious

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #72 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:17pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Why don't you stop dithering on about the numbers, until such time as you come up with a count of all of the uncounted, throughout the African continent as well as backwaters and jungles all around the world.

You presented numbers, I showed you why they were wrong, and now you are diverting the question to a request that you know full well cannot possibly be answered. Congratulating in shooting your own argument in the foot.

Works fine for me, as I was simply disputing your claim that 100000-180000 Christians are martyred every year, and mostly by Muslims, which once again is at worst lies and at best completely unsubstantiated and unprovable

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #73 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Mostly by whom then?

i don't know. Neither do you though, at least not through any statistics you provided.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year

Terrorist murders =/= martyrs.

Frequently. Particularly when they occur in churches.
While you once again exhibit your incapacity for critical thought, and intellect completely divorced from objective reality.
thereligionofpeace.com

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, prior to your deciding to reject it in favor of agnosticism?

Of course not, what a request. I mean to minutes? how is anyone supposed to know that.

Sorry, I did do a bad job of that. In my effort to be clear I muddied the waters. If the amount of time you spent was under an hour, then you can estimate it in minutes. If it was under a week, then you can estimate in man-days that total 8 hours each (4 days of 2 hours etc.). If under a year you can estimate in months of man-days.

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

I attended a Christian group for three years before deciding to become one.......

Was your group devoted to Bible study and such, or playing softball and the like?

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

......... then was a believer for eight years, if you are curious

How much time would you guess you devoted to STUDY of scripture, Biblical archaeology, and particularly fulfilled
prophecy, during that time?
islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm

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