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Reply #75 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:34pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Frequently. Particularly when they occur in churches.

Yes, but these statistics are NOT about martyrs. Some may be definitely, but it doesn't back up your argument. Also, it mentions the total number of these last year was 12,533. Even if every single one of them was a Christian martyr, which is highly unlikely for a start that would still mean you have to multiply it by ten to get your quoted number of Christian martyrs per year.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Was your group devoted to Bible study and such, or playing softball?

Youth group that did a Bible study every week among other things.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

How much time would you guess you devoted to STUDY of scripture, Biblical archaeology, and particularly fulfilled prophecy, during that time?

I would read and analyse and record notes on between 2 and 4 chapters of scripture a day, attended church services once a week, attended a peer group bible study and prayer meeting once a week and ran a bible study in conjunction with another person for three years, as well as attend usually 2 scripture based camps a year.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #76 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:35pm

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

You have mentioned that you are agnostic. Could you indulge me with an answer to a question, that Datalife and adamant for some reason, failed to answer?

What have I failed to answer Pete?

The question that closed my reply to you:
ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/67#67

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Reply #77 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:40pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

You have mentioned that you are agnostic. Could you indulge me with an answer to a question, that Datalife and adamant for some reason, failed to answer?

What have I failed to answer Pete?

The question that closed my reply to you:
ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/67#67

eh? I didn't answer cos I didn't particularly care and I didn't realise it was directed at me and you were waiting for a response. My bad. I tend to ignore slabs of text from some posters.

But for your info I do not believe in god. Hope that helps.

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Reply #78 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:49pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Frequently. Particularly when they occur in churches.

Yes, but these statistics are NOT about martyrs. Some may be definitely, but it doesn't back up your argument. Also, it mentions the total number of these last year was 12,533. Even if every single one of them was a Christian martyr, which is highly unlikely for a start that would still mean you have to multiply it by ten to get your quoted number of Christian martyrs per year.

That was to address the WHO is responsible, regarding the vast majority of Christians being martyred, are martyred by Muslims.

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Was your group devoted to Bible study and such, or playing softball?

Youth group that did a Bible study every week among other things.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

How much time would you guess you devoted to STUDY of scripture, Biblical archaeology, and particularly fulfilled prophecy, during that time?

I would read and analyse and record notes on between 2 and 4 chapters of scripture a day, attended church services once a week, attended a peer group bible study and prayer meeting once a week and ran a bible study in conjunction with another person for three years, as well as attend usually 2 scripture based camps a year.

Thank you for that excellent and thorough answer to my question. So in all that study, surely you must have discussed fulfilled Bible prophecies, like that of Psalms 22, islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm and Isaiah 53, islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm and perhaps even investigated the odds against just a few of those prophesies coming true, being an accident. Like what were the odds that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem, as prophesied, being an accident:
islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm

Let alone what are the odds that Jews would have been restored to their land, in fulfillment of so much Bible prophesy, just as anticipated by so many Christians, centuries before that restoration ever began?
zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm

What are the odds - that Jews would raise Israel from a desolated, desertified, depopulated wasteland as rendered by 1200 years of Islamization, to becoming one of the most technologically innovative, prosperous world economies, and geopolitical focus of the world - being an accident?
zionismchristian.com/history_of_modern_zionism.htm

What are the odds against Daniel prophesying of their gaining sovereign control over Israel in 1948, and then Jerusalem in 19967 - right to the year - through two parallel math problems that span 2500 years?
zionismchristian.com/daniel_prophesied_modern_zionism.htm

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Reply #79 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:52pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:40pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

You have mentioned that you are agnostic. Could you indulge me with an answer to a question, that Datalife and adamant for some reason, failed to answer?

What have I failed to answer Pete?

The question that closed my reply to you:
ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/67#67

eh? I didn't answer cos I didn't particularly care and I didn't realise it was directed at me and you were waiting for a response. My bad. I tend to ignore slabs of text from some posters.

But for your info I do not believe in god. Hope that helps.

Didn't really help. I was asking how much time you spent in study of the things of God, like scripture, related history, archaeological evidence, fulfilled prophecy and the like, before you made your decision not to believe in God?

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Reply #80 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:57pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:52pm:

Didn't really help. How much time did you spend in study of the things of the Spirit of God, like scripture, related history, archaeological evidence, fulfilled prophecy and the like, before you made your decision not to believe in God?

None at all. Doesn't interest me. But I do like archaeology.

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Reply #81 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:52pm:

Didn't really help. How much time did you spend in study of the things of the Spirit of God, like scripture, related history, archaeological evidence, fulfilled prophecy and the like, before you made your decision not to believe in God?

None at all. Doesn't interest me.

So how many other things, have you made such a firm and committed decision about, through self-imposed abject ignorance to the subject?

Datalife wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:57pm:

But I do like archaeology.

Did you ever wonder what the temple mount in Jerusalem doing there?
A good search if you like archaeology is - archaeology confirms Bible as ancient historical record

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Reply #82 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:09pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

You have mentioned that you are agnostic. Could you indulge me with an answer to a question, that Datalife and adamant for some reason, failed to answer?

What have I failed to answer Pete?

The question that closed my reply to you:
ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/67#67

Upon reflection I did answer your questions Pete, again I ask would you like a photo of a footprint that is pre god?

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Reply #83 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

You have mentioned that you are agnostic. Could you indulge me with an answer to a question, that Datalife and adamant for some reason, failed to answer?

What have I failed to answer Pete?

The question that closed my reply to you:
ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/67#67

Upon reflection I did answer your questions Pete, again I ask would you like a photo of a footprint that is pre god?

But surely even you can see that your amusing question didn't answer my question which was:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 5:34am:

Could you indulge me with an answer to a question? Would you measure in terms of years, months, days, hours, or minutes, the amount of time you have devoted to the study of scripture, related archaeology, and such as fulfilled Bible prophecy, to decide against it in favor of atheism?

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Reply #85 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:20pm

Hold up Pete, by your own confession, you have said you know very little about Buddhism as per your previous comments here, yet you have obviously made up your mind that Christianity is the one true religion. Your own question could very well apply to you about that

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

So how many other things, have you made such a firm and committed decision about, through self-imposed abject ignorance to the subject?

Are you sure Buddhism is wrong? If not, why are you not investigating it thoroughly to avoid self-imposed abject ignorance to the subject?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #86 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:22pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

So how many other things, have you made such a firm and committed decision about, through self-imposed abject ignorance to the subject?

Don't be so hasty, one day I might have a brain fart and see da light.

So you characterize those who bother to investigate a subject, and make an informed decision on the basis of their study as suffering "brain farts", while you freely admit to having made your decision on the basis of self-imposed abject ignorance. Well done!

Gee, I wonder how I knew what your answer to my question would be, before I asked it? Should we be surprised then, to find that only about 4% of citizens in the U.S., are smart enough to believe there is no God?

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Reply #87 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:37pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:22pm:

So you characterize those who bother to investigate a subject, and make an informed decision on the basis of their study as suffering "brain farts", while you admit to having made your decision on the basis of self-imposed abject ignorance. Well done!

If bible study is likely to lead me to end up sounding like you I will choose abject ignorance of the bible.

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Reply #88 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:39pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:20pm:

Hold up Pete, by your own confession, you have said you know very little about Buddhism as per your previous comments here, yet you have obviously made up your mind that Christianity is the one true religion. Your own question could very well apply to you about that

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

So how many other things, have you made such a firm and committed decision about, through self-imposed abject ignorance to the subject?

Are you sure Buddhism is wrong? If not, why are you not investigating it thoroughly to avoid self-imposed abject ignorance to the subject?

Buddha was a 6th-4th century BC individual that some people choose to follow. The reason I am a Christian is the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, whose people have followed Him through two covenants over 3500 years. A record that is ever increasingly confirmed by archaeological evidence to be a reliable record of ancient history, is further confirmed by fulfilled Bible prophecy, history and can even be confirmed mathematically.

The surface of which was only scratched in the bottom of my last post to you, that you chose to completely ignore. Why not try a substantive response this time?

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Reply #89 - Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:46pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:39pm:

You quoted my post to Datalife as if it were addressed to you. Please try to avoid adding unnecessary confusion. You already explained to me that you had considerable exposure to the things of the Spirit of God.

Sorry, being a forum and all, I didn't think anyone would mind .Doesn't mean my question is not relevant.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 11:39pm:

The reason I am a Christian is the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, whose people have followed Him through two covenants, for 3500 years

Funny, I thought the whole reason people became Christian was to be saved from their sin.

And you still didn't answer, why do you ask this question of non christians and flat out call themignorant, yet refuse to scrutinise yourself to the same level about other religions?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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