polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 11:15am:



Yes gandalf, your 'ideas'.

It is being drawn out of you,
....and you are telling us, how you believe moslem laws should be enacted and enforced.
....and you are telling us, how you believe that moslems should have the right to introduce and enforce ISLAMIC laws.


And remember FD [and others], this moslem law [that would allow the killing of apostates], is not a law that is allowing moslems to kill another moslem.

This is an ISLAMIC law which would allow moslems to kill a person who is deemed to be NOT [no longer] a moslem.




gandalf,

You are telling us, how you believe moslem laws should be allowed to lawfully 'strike out' a persons freedom of conscience.

And that is the 'human right' [i.e. the right of the moslem to kill persons who do not believe what moslems believe] which moslems 'struggle' for - here in Australia.

But moslems [and gandalf], would insist that removing a persons right to freedom of conscience, is NOT ISLAMIC/moslem oppression of those who are not moslems.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:



No ?

You are claiming that that is not, your position, and a position which you support ?

That so as long as it is lawful [i.e. so long as it is 'the law of the land'], moslems should have the right to kill apostates ?




polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2014 at 7:32am:




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Not so!


And again, the point is, the ISLAMIC law on apostasy, is a law which would allow moslems the lawful right, to kill a person who is deemed [by moslems] to be NOT a moslem.

The ISLAMIC apostasy law would allow moslems, to 'LAWFULLY' kill persons who are non-moslems.

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:


Now you're just trying to twist my words.

The issue is about whether I was "telling" you how I "believe that moslems should have the right to introduce and enforce ISLAMIC laws." Thats the point. My arguments only ever related to the issue of what non-muslims in Malaysia think, and whether or not they *MIGHT* consider it the muslims right to enact hudud laws on themselves.

Actually it was my idea to spin it into a "its ridiculous to claim that the vast majority of non-muslims oppose the laws with no evidence whatsoever" issue.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:01am:


You came up with the idea of spinning it as a right's issue for the muslims who want to kill people.

And it is not ridiculous at all to assume that non-Muslims are opposed to Muslims killing people in the name of Islam.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 8:10am:


Please quote me.

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 8:50am:


I am so used to muslims lying I quite expect it now.
Which is a great advantage with a certain muslim I am privately discussing matters with now.
I have disproved almost his every deceptive word.
dirty filthy lying curs

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Yes it does. You have gone from people wanting to freely subject themselves to certain religious laws to killing people based on their race.

Please explain why you think it is the same thing. Are you just trying to justify all the BS spin you have trotted out about it being a human right to execute apostates and about these people just wanting to apply the laws to "themselves"? You seem to be digging yourself further into a hole.

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Wanting to kill people for having the wrong belief is an unusual position to hold. That was the point of posting the Pew survey - because all the spineless apologists refused to believe that Malaysian Muslims actually believed that crap. Even you went to great lengths to convince us that these Muslims did not really hold those views and would vote gainst them, despite the survey clearly showing that they do. When it comes to Muslims, even when they say they want to execute apostates and try to go through with it, you trip over yourself to make excuses. You even used the humanist argument yourself to defend these Muslims. But in a feat of hypocrisy, you assume the exact opposite for non-Muslims, even though they have no reason at all to support these barbaric laws, and every reason to fear them.

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Islam overcomes humanity. It is very effective at doing so. I see no reason at all to assume the same for ethnic Indians and Chinese in Malaysia.

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Yes it is radical to assume minority groups in a Muslim country would support further Islamisation in the form of Muslims killing people in the name of Islam. You are demanding that I prove the bleeding obvious, because every other argument you have put forward has been shown to be a transparent attempt to polish a turd.