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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #45 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:28am Everything Pickering is quoted as saying there is true. Obama comes at a long line of irresponsible western leaders.
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #46 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:43am

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. Cheesy

Think again.
The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established.
It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres.
Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security.
Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election.
Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea.
Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #47 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:46am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:26am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:49am:

But it's perfectly fine when the ALP do it for Buzz.

When the ALP "do" WHAT for Buzz ?
What ARE you TALKING about, man ?

You'll happily back anything if Labor do it .

Last election the ALP went to the polls with a policy of sending refugees to PNG and how did you vote?

I voted ...

GREENS 1

LABOR 2

... in BOTH houses

( ...
Labor
- over
LibNat
- as the lesser of 2 evils on humanitarian policy - but the REALITY is, we will ALWAYS have a Labor
or LibNat
GOVERNMENT

It is
UNREALISTIC, SENSELESS, IMMATURE and MORONIC
to say "I endorse NEITHER" )

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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #48 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58392 Here Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #49 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:55am Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am: oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government. While that is your opinion you need to be careful with the current rabble making them look very good in comparison.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #50 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:56am Well that's just your opinion and not a very credible one at that.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58392 Here Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #51 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:57am I think it would probably be better to quote some people before senility set in.
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #52 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:00am

Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government. Roll Eyes

And it looks like we're in for another 6 years of incompetency.

As far as the claims by the asylum seekers - they're probably true. The ADF follows the instructions of the government and when the government doesn't care about the boat people - why should the navy?

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #53 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:07am

Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government.

A REPOST, full of the FACTS ...

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:04pm:

We DO have high levels of debt.
In fact it is the largest in our history in dollar terms and very close to the largest in GDP terms. and what is worse is that only a mere 6 years ago we have NO DEBT at all.

Don't pretend to be STUPID
It doesn't BECOME you

Even John Howard is capable of coming clean with the TRUTH - occasionally - and giving
credit, where credit is DUE

Quote:

Former prime minister John Howard gave the economy a big tick
before Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered his sixth budget on Tuesday night.

''And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe, to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries,'' he said.

He said Australia's economy was better than the economies of Japan, the US and most European countries.

This is in stark contrast to his protege and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's assessment of doom and gloom on Monday
.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/resilient-economy-in-better-shape-t...

Australia’s
GFC stimulus debt
is the second lowest in the OECD.
Gross debt stands at 28.9% of GDP.

This compares to Japan at 224%,
Greece at 193.2%,
Portugal at 133.1%,
Italy at 129.6%,
Ireland at 127.7%,
United States at 113%,
France at 108.2%,
UK at 110.4%,
Canada at 85.5%,
Spain at 100.2%
Germany at 86.2%.

you have a poor definition of 'good'.

MY definition ?

I just presented the FACTS

The BIG ticks of APPROVAL come from ...

Standard & Poor's
Moody's
Fitch's
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)
EuroMoney (Finance Minister of the Year Honours)
The International Monetary Fund (IMF)
The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA)
The Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... by stealth)
The Butcher
The Baker
The Candlestick Maker

... and NOW - a few days back - the former member for Bennelong

The ONLY talking down of the ecomomy and the Federal Treasurer is coming from the Opposition, NEWS Ltd - and Sydney shock-jocks

I know who I trust

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #54 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:04pm

mantra wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

oh dear... after the previous 6 years of totally incompetent government. Roll Eyes

And it looks like we're in for another 6 years of incompetency.

As far as the claims by the asylum seekers - they're probably true. The ADF follows the instructions of the government and when the government doesn't care about the boat people - why should the navy?

Yes, that's also my take on it.

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Reply #55 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:25pm

Jakarta now finds itself in the self-inflicted situation of having 'stocked up' on country-shoppers heading for Australia who Abbott has now made stranded with nowhere to go.

Needless to say the country-shopper industry has greased a lot of official palms in Indonesia over the years. They'll have to find an alternative source of extra pocket-money.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #56 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:02pm Grendel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:56am: Well that's just your opinion and not a very credible one at that. While your spew was purely your opinion and not a very credible one at that.
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #57 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Jakarta now finds itself in the self-inflicted situation of having 'stocked up' on country-shoppers heading for Australia who Abbott has now made stranded with nowhere to go.

Needless to say the country-shopper industry has greased a lot of official palms in Indonesia over the years. They'll have to find an alternative source of extra pocket-money.

Great point Herb

This is why you'll hear lots of noises from Indonesia

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #58 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. Cheesy

Think again.
The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established.
It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres.
Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security.
Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election.
Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea.
Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #59 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP. Capt iPad and his family?
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