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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #60 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

Capt iPad and his family?

No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #61 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. Cheesy

Think again.
The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established.
It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres.
Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security.
Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election.
Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea.
Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

Excellent point

This is why the TPV was in introduced

The illegals decide to call TPV inhumane

The Greens took this line, hook and sinker

This is why we should never allow the Greens anywhere near sharp objects

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #62 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

Capt iPad and his family?

No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

1 in 50,000 under Labor

ZERO in 1500 under LIBs

that in itself shows you are incompetent

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #63 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:48pm Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm: 1 in 50,000 under Labor oh good, by your own admission refugees are better behaved than the average Aussie. How progressive of you!
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #64 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:50pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

Capt iPad and his family?

No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

1 in 50,000 under Labor

ZERO in 1500 under LIBs

that in itself shows you are incompetent

not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy

I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE. Cheesy

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58399 Here Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #65 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:07pm Should we believe illegals? Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it?
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woody2014 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2044 NTH EAST VIC Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #66 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:16pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:07pm: Should we believe illegals? Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it? So you have seen the burns O M G and they beat s h i t out of them with RUNNER FFS GET A GRIP
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #67 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

I don't know of anyone who does believe them.

Bob Carr doesn't believe them. "Country-shopping economic migrants" he called them.

"No evidence to support Foreign Minister Bob Carr's economic migrants claims

"On the available evidence, Senator Carr's claim that 100 per cent of recent arrivals are economic migrants is unsubstantiated.

"Neither his office, nor the department, has been able to produce any specific evidence to support the claim."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/482...

Since when has any government department provided such information to a media source.
It just doesn't happen.
The government does not have to substantiate anything to the media, and never will and is unlikely to do so in the future.
Governments don't work that way.
And just because they refuse to justify their claims does not mean what they claim isn't true.
He was the Foreign Minister who worked closely with the Immigration department on a daily basis, not the ABC.

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #68 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:44pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

Capt iPad and his family?

No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

1 in 50,000 under Labor

ZERO in 1500 under LIBs

that in itself shows you are incompetent

not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy

I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE. Cheesy

You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities.
Mistakes can happen, particularly when dealing with people like this one.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

Julia Gillard
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #69 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:48pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. Cheesy

Think again.
The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established.
It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres.
Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security.
Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election.
Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea.
Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

The Minister for Immigration says different eh. Wink

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

Julia Gillard
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #70 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:48pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

The government does not have to substantiate anything to the media, and never will and is unlikely to do so in the future.
Governments don't work that way.
And just because they refuse to justify their claims does not mean what they claim isn't true.
He was the Foreign Minister who worked closely with the Immigration department on a daily basis, not the ABC.

So you are clearly deciding to believe your prejudice in the face of actual evidence.

Got facts this time or just passing through? Find one piece of evidence that actually supports his ridiculous claim and I'll be very surprised.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #71 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim. the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21.
they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3.
they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one.
theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.
they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in.

life is hell for the illegal Wink

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #72 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 3:42pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Jakarta now finds itself in the self-inflicted situation of having 'stocked up' on country-shoppers heading for Australia who Abbott has now made stranded with nowhere to go.

Needless to say the country-shopper industry has greased a lot of official palms in Indonesia over the years. They'll have to find an alternative source of extra pocket-money.

Great point Herb

This is why you'll hear lots of noises from Indonesia

It means they're stuck with a few thousand disgruntled Middle Easterners who now know they'll have to wait until the return of the Australian Labor Party before they'll be given access to Australia's Social Welfare bonanza when they're not sitting in a taxi rank refusing people with guide dogs a fare because Islam teaches that dogs are 'haram'.

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono now knows he's not dealing with the usual conga-line of suckhole wimps that have been crawling up his arse these past few years.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #73 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 3:50pm aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm: theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms. Whatever happened to the 'lip-sewing' ploy? That one enjoyed a vogue during the war in Yugoslavia when we had Albanian and Bosnian Muslims claiming asylum here.
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #74 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

Capt iPad and his family?

No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

1 in 50,000 under Labor

ZERO in 1500 under LIBs

that in itself shows you are incompetent

not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy

I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE. Cheesy

You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities.
Mistakes can happen, particularly when dealing with people like this one.

So when its libs it's 'mistakes can happen'... but when it happens under labor its the end of the world? Grin

double standards anybody?

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