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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #75 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

no one gets a refugee visa based solely on what they say, so whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. Cheesy

Think again.
The Department of Immigration does and has never had a hotline to the Ayatollah in Iran, or to the warlords in northern Pakistan, nor to terrorist held areas of Afghanistan, so how exactly did the department carry out any investigations when a country shoppers identity cannot be established.
It is simply not possible which is why Labor instigated it's 'benefit of the doubt' policy which the department used for many years to allow the asylum process to proceed and to move the people out of the overflowing detention centres.
Scott Morrison has previously called this practice dangerous, and stated that it impacts heavily on our national security.
Labor itself must have known this otherwise they would not have stopped asylum claims 12 months before the election.
Even Labor dunderclumpers must have realised at the time that allowing tens of thousands of 'benefit of the doubt' recipients to live in our communities was a stupid idea.
Which is now why the Coalition will not process claims for asylum from those who arrive illegally without passports which was what they stated before the announcement that no boat person would ever settle in this country.

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

The Minister for Immigration says different eh. Wink

He can't tell you anyway .... due to 'operational security'

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #76 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:08pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim. the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21.
they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3.
they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one.
theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.
they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in.

life is hell for the illegal Wink

aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims.

Or, perhaps not.

We can only wait and see.

Wink

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #77 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:24pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim. the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21.
they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3.
they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one.
theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.
they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in.

life is hell for the illegal Wink

aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims.

No.

Aqua is full of racist sh1t.

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #78 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:28pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Nope, thats ASIO's job to confirm identity ... as much as they can. Sure, not all are clear cut, but they aren't simply accepted at face value like Gumpy claims in the OP.

Capt iPad and his family?

No system is perfect Gumpy .... he's one example, out of over 50 000 asylum seekers, thats a pretty good record ... do you think Howard got them all right?

1 in 50,000 under Labor

ZERO in 1500 under LIBs

that in itself shows you are incompetent

not zero in 1500 under the libs, the libs got indentity checks wrong too Gumpy

I seem to recall Howard send an Aussie woman to some backward country because they got her identity wrong? And she was BORN HERE. Cheesy

You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities.
Mistakes can happen, particularly when dealing with people like this one.

You might also recall then that she was a mental case, spoke in a foreign language and refused to co-operate with the authorities.

Whoops: No that was a different one - that one was still locked up in Australia.

It is understandable - there were so many that it is easy to get them confused.

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Reply #79 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:30pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

Should we believe illegals?

Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it?

So you have seen the burns Grin

O M G and they beat s h i t out of them with RUNNER for goodness sake GET A GRIP Angry

Read the story fella ??? The police officer who took the report commented that the burns were real.

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Reply #80 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:12am

Jakarta is finally getting its comeuppance for years of treating the Australian government with open contempt.

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Indonesia's government and military are closing ranks against Australia's policy to turn back asylum seeker boats, after claims two boats were recently forced back to Indonesia.

The Indonesian president's office has backed his foreign minister's rejection of Australia turning boats around as unhelpful.

And another senior Indonesian official has warned that such a "provocative action" would "trigger more conflict, it will have an impact broadly and fundamentally on the bilateral relations".

Meanwhile, Indonesia's military chief says media reports suggesting that he supported Australian policy of sending asylum seeker boats back to Indonesia are misleading.

He said while he did speak with his Australian counterpart, General David Hurley, and understood Australia's stance, his words had been twisted and he does not support the policy.

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The sheer gall of these people is only what one can expect from a Third World banana republic where graft, corruption, nepotism, the greasing of palms, bribery, and criminal collusion is all part of the culture at the highest levels of government.

At long last these conceited Indonesians are getting a little of their own back from the Abbott government.

By returning the boats, Abbott is creating a tit-for-tat level playing field that has the Jakarta leadership spitting-the-dummy for the first time in decades.

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #81 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:22am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

Should we believe illegals?

Why not they had nothing to gain and the burns to prove it?

So you have seen the burns Grin

O M G and they beat s h i t out of them with RUNNER for goodness sake GET A GRIP Angry

Read the story fella ??? The police officer who took the report commented that the burns were real.

We saw those burns last night on 9 nine news. They were real burns all right, real burns from 6 months plus ago!

You guys are gullible di*kheads, thank god your only behind a computer dribbling shyte.

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #82 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim. the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21.
they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3.
they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one.
theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.
they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in.

life is hell for the illegal Wink

aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims.

No.

Aqua is full of racist sh1t.

aqua is full of common sense. Wink

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #83 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:29pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim. the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21.
they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3.
they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one.
theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.
they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in.

life is hell for the illegal Wink

aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims.

No.

Aqua is full of racist sh1t.

aqua is full of common sense. Wink

He hides it well.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137149 Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #84 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:32pm De-registered User wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:22am: We saw those burns last night on 9 nine news. 9 "News". Hmmm. Where else do you get your information: 60 Minutes, Andrew Bolt, A Current Affair?
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #85 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

De-registered User wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 7:22am:

We saw those burns last night on 9 nine news.

9 "News".

Hmmm.

Where else do you get your information: 60 Minutes, Andrew Bolt, A Current Affair?

To many conservatives a balanced view means listening to both Bolt and Akerman - all you need to know.

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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #86 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:41pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

It is in their BEST INTEREST to lie so they can get a VISA

It is in their best interest to say they are mistreated by Australians

It is in their best interest to paint a picture worse than it really is

Why should we believe them?

maqqa, the picture they paint is quite grim. the air-con is set at 22 and they'd prefer 21.
they have to play call of duty on xbox and most are trained on PS3.
they get the re constituted maple syrup on their ice cream, not the genuine canadian one.
theres only 1 human rights lawyer per illegal to come and hold their hand and coach them in PTSD symptoms.
they sometimes get nasty papaer cuts from the disability pension forms they have to fill in.

life is hell for the illegal Wink

aqua, of course, has proof of all of these claims.

No.

Aqua is full of racist sh1t.

aqua is full of common sense.

If you were to assume that the answer is probably about half way between you get:

Aqua is half full of racist sh1t.

Compromise: now everyone is happy

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #87 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:47pm For over 50,000 years Australia has been a nation of white people and we dont wanna start allowing darkies onto our hallowed ground. Ya cant trust darkies...especially those cunning enough to get on boats
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34603 Gender:	Re: Should we believe illegals? Reply #88 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:06pm adelcrow wrote on Jan 10^th, 2014 at 12:47pm: For over 50,000 years Australia has been a nation of white people and we dont wanna start allowing darkies onto our hallowed ground. Ya cant trust darkies...especially those cunning enough to get on boats
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Re: Should we believe illegals?
Reply #89 - Jan 10^th, 2014 at 1:33pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

The government does not have to substantiate anything to the media, and never will and is unlikely to do so in the future.
Governments don't work that way.
And just because they refuse to justify their claims does not mean what they claim isn't true.
He was the Foreign Minister who worked closely with the Immigration department on a daily basis, not the ABC.

So you are clearly deciding to believe your prejudice in the face of actual evidence.

Got facts this time or just passing through? Find one piece of evidence that actually supports his ridiculous claim and I'll be very surprised.

No, I'm deciding to believe Bob Carr who was in the box seat with this issue at the time over a left wing media source who's agenda is clear.

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