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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	EDL mission statement. Disagree with any of it? Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:36am Here's the English Defence League's mission statement. http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/mission-statement/ Can you point out any part of it that you disagree with or oppose?
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Reply #1 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:06am

Soren, "mission statements" are never intended as anything other than wishy-washy meaningless fluff - designed specifically not to offend or disagree with anyone.

Surely you didn't expect something like this...

The English Defense League is a street protest group comprised mainly of football hooligans and other thugs who seek to demonize and intimidate islam and muslims through violent street protests.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #2 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:33am

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Here's the English Defence League's mission statement.

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/mission-statement/

Can you point out any part of it that you disagree with or oppose?

I agree with a lot of it actually, but I'm surprised you do, such as:

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Although these actions were certainly those of a minority

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Whilst we must always protect against the unjust assumption that all Muslims are complicit in or somehow responsible for these crimes

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We also recognise that Muslims themselves are frequently the main victims of some Islamic traditions and practices

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Demonisation of Muslims, or of Islam’s critics, adds nothing to the debate

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and that other cultures make contributions that make our shared culture stronger and more vibrant

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The EDL is therefore keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices

Based on this mission statement, they sound rather progressive

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #3 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:38am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Soren, "mission statements" are never intended as anything other than wishy-washy meaningless fluff - designed specifically not to offend or disagree with anyone.

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Unlike Islam's mission statement which is brimming with straightforward incitement to religious violence:

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

And so on and so forth.

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Reply #4 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:53am

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Whilst we must always protect against the unjust assumption that all Muslims are complicit in or somehow responsible for these crimes

Gee, I can think of quite a few people here who would object to this statement.

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We believe that the proponents of radical Islam have a stranglehold on British Muslims. These radicals dominate Muslim organisations, remain key figures in British mosques, and are steadily increasing their influence. Radical Islam keeps British Muslims fearful and isolated, especially the women that it encases in the Burqa.

So lets break this down:

1. Radical islam has a "stranglehold" on British muslims
2. Radical islam encases women in the burqa

...therefore given 1 and 2, most British muslim women must wear a burqa... oh wait Roll Eyes

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #5 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Soren, "mission statements" are never intended as anything other than wishy-washy meaningless fluff - designed specifically not to offend or disagree with anyone.

Surely you didn't expect something like this...

The English Defense League is a street protest group comprised mainly of football hooligans and other thugs who seek to demonize and intimidate islam and muslims through violent street protests.

Gandalf do you disagree with or oppose anything in the mission statement?

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: EDL mission statement. Disagree with any of it? Reply #6 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:17pm I disagree with just about everything in the statement.
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Reply #7 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

I disagree with just about everything in the statement.

Congratulations gandalf !

A response that reveals very, very, little about YOUR response/opinion to the issue and the question posed in the OP.

Moslem sidestepping, of accountability, and avoidance of subjecting himself to a trial of reason; 10 out of 10 !

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: EDL mission statement. Disagree with any of it? Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:20pm Really Y? Actually, it means that you can pick out pretty much any sentence in that statement and feel safe in the knowledge that "Gandalf disagrees with this". That should actually reveal quite a lot about my response/opinion to the issue and the question posed in the OP - agreed?
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Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

Really Y?

Actually, it means that you can pick out pretty much any sentence in that statement and feel safe in the knowledge that "Gandalf disagrees with this".

That should actually reveal quite a lot about my response/opinion to the issue and the question posed in the OP - agreed?

For example, you oppose this principle;

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"We also recognise that Muslims themselves are frequently the main victims of some Islamic traditions and practices. The Government should protect the individual human rights of members of British Muslims. It should ensure that they can openly criticise Islamic orthodoxy, challenge Islamic leaders without fear of retribution, receive full equality before the law (including equal rights for Muslim women), and leave Islam if they see fit, without fear of censure."

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/mission-statement/

So gandalf, as far as ISLAM is concerned, you support; 'Once in, never out.' ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #10 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

I disagree with just about everything in the statement.

Do you disagree with any of these statements:

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

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Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:23pm

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For example, you oppose this principle;

If you ignore the premise of that statement, then no Yadda, I don't disagree with it.

But I don't ignore the premise.

I did not ignore the part just above that stated that British muslims are dominated by radical islam - such that criticising and leaving "Islamic orthodoxy" is not merely a right, but a necessity.

Thus any muslim who is not a closet apostate, who is not just pretending to be a muslim through fear of retribution - is none-to-subtly being demonized as a "radical" and someone who is not welcome in the country.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: EDL mission statement. Disagree with any of it? Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:25pm Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2014 at 2:08pm: Do you disagree with any of these statements: Funny, I didn't see those quotes in the EDL statement.
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: EDL mission statement. Disagree with any of it? Reply #13 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 3:25pm Im surprised there are people in the EDL who have the intellect to start up a website and write more than two sentances.
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: EDL mission statement. Disagree with any of it? Reply #14 - Jan 9^th, 2014 at 3:32pm
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