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Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am
 
Our ABC, and Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young, choked the pre-election airwaves with wild predictions that the Coalition's turn-back-the-boats policy was unworkable. 
 
Now the evidence is in that a number of boats have been successfully turned back, both the national taxpayer-funded broadcaster and the Greens immigration spokesman are conducting their own reversal of sorts - they are now noisily protesting that the boats should not have been turned back.

Hanson-Young, who appears to have been given a permanent news slot at "our" ABC, is competing with the cicadas for cacophany.

The Senator flippantly shrugged off any Greens responsibility for contributing to the deaths of about 200 people who tried to enter aboard an illegal people smuggler boat in December 2011 with the astoundingly superficial comment: "Tragedies happen, accidents happen."

Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's unsuccessful policies, supported by Hanson-Young and her Greens colleagues, the new approach has already discouraged hundreds, if not thousands, of people from risking their lives attempting to enter Australia illegally.

Indonesian military commander General Moeldoko has said the Australian government's decision to turn back a boat carrying would-be migrants attempting to reach its shores was "justifiable" as he had made an agreement with the Australian Defence Force.

He said both countries had agreed to the action: "Following (our) halted military co-operation with Australia, (Australia's) defense force chief (General David Hurley) called me to discuss several issues, including how to deal with the boat people.

"He told me Indonesia should understand if Australia drove back undocumented migrants attempting to enter the country using Indonesian boats or if any Indonesians were found aboard. I have agreed. Therefore, we don't need to feel offended."

General Moeldoko would be bemused to learn his clarity of thought would enrage Hanson-Young and those at "our" ABC, who have worked so hard to undermine Australia's national interest by fomenting distrust between Australia and Indonesia.

Former Labor leader Mark Latham was absolutely correct when he said the Greens and the Labor left and their "so-called compassionate" approach to asylum seekers was causing deaths at sea. "You can't be compassionate and you can't have a good heart, you can't have a good soul, if you encourage people to get on boats that sink," Latham told Sky in 2011. "And people just need to understand that the real compassionate policy is to stop the flow of the boats."

The Indonesian police have confirmed that the boats turned back were "rented" from Indonesian fishermen and the crews which were endeavouring to help the undocumented arrivals enter Australia were Indonesians. Unfortunately they escaped after the local Indonesian police transferred them as well as other crew and passengers to Kupang.

The contrast between the Abbott government's approach to illegal entrants and that of the Rudd and Gillard governments could not be sharper. Former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd trumpeted his foreign policy forays at mega-volume, dismaying our neighbours and eroding their trust. Similarly, Julia Gillard showed a total lack of diplomatic skill when she shut down the important live cattle export trade without any consultation with either the Australian beef industry or the Indonesians.

Having Australian Generals deal with their Indonesian counterparts collaboratively on the people-smuggler policy has isolated grandstanding politicians like Hanson-Young, and the Labor Opposition leadership team of Bill Shorten, Anthony Albanese, Tanya Plibersek and Tony Burke.

Even Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, ANU-schooled and Labor-leaning, has been dealt out of the main game, which he hinted at by refusing to comment on the reports of boats being towed back to Indonesia because they were operational matters. Natalegawa is too shrewd a politician to take on the large and important Indonesian military institutions within months of a national election in Indonesia, no matter how much air time and print space the ABC and Fairfax offer him.

With the "unachievable" policy of turning back the boats looking better every day, it is the Labor left, the Greens and their media cheer squad who have been left high and dry.
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:42am
 
The Senator flippantly shrugged off any Greens responsibility for contributing to the deaths of about 200 people who tried to enter aboard an illegal people smuggler boat in December 2011 with the astoundingly superficial comment: "Tragedies happen, accidents happen."

This shows how little understanding or compassion exists in the Greens' minds on this issue. By the way, the link to that article is below, as I ran out of space in the original post...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/bad-luck-sarah-but-that-boat-wont-...
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

[highlight]Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.
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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:56am
 
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

[highlight]Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


No one knows for sure how many drowned because it's entirely possible that some boats never made it far enough to be reported missing, but the general consensus ranges from as low as 1,000 to as high as 2,000. That's a hell of a death toll on Rudd's decision to abolish the Pacific Solution and Gillard's refusal to change Labor's numerous failed border protection policies and the Greens share the blame for supporting them.
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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:59am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

[highlight]Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


No one knows for sure how many drowned because it's entirely possible that some boats never made it far enough to be reported missing, but the general consensus ranges from as low as 1,000 to as high as 2,000. That's a hell of a death toll on Rudd's decision to abolish the Pacific Solution and Gillard's refusal to change Labor's numerous failed border protection policies and the Greens share the blame for supporting them.




someone knows you can be sure of that.... just admitting it would be a surprise all round wouldnt it?..

as a matter of fact I do not recall krudd or gillard even mentioning the deaths at sea.........sudden silence...and as for Moore does anyone really take her seriously???.....she looks like she spends every hour in front of the mirror.
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Reply #5 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:02am
 
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

[highlight]Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


No one knows for sure how many drowned because it's entirely possible that some boats never made it far enough to be reported missing, but the general consensus ranges from as low as 1,000 to as high as 2,000. That's a hell of a death toll on Rudd's decision to abolish the Pacific Solution and Gillard's refusal to change Labor's numerous failed border protection policies and the Greens share the blame for supporting them.




someone knows you can be sure of that.... just admitting it would be a surprise all round wouldnt it?..

as a matter of fact I do not recall krudd or gillard even mentioning the deaths at sea.........sudden silence...and as for Moore does anyone really take her seriously???.....she looks like she spends every hour in front of the mirror.


Never before has a Labor policy cost so many their lives. It is such a shame that populist politics won ahead of common sense with Rudd and Gillard.
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Reply #6 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:03am
 
Some people just don't believe anything that Ackerman or Bolt haven't told them ????

Do we really need to have their articles reposted here every day ???

Surely some of you conservative amebae have the occasional original thought to post?

I bet you guys set your morning alarm to 2GB just so that you will know what to believe for the day.
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Reply #7 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:04am
 
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

[highlight]Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


We dont know how many have drowned since the secretive coalition got in either do we . . . .

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Reply #8 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:04am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:02am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

[highlight]Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


No one knows for sure how many drowned because it's entirely possible that some boats never made it far enough to be reported missing, but the general consensus ranges from as low as 1,000 to as high as 2,000. That's a hell of a death toll on Rudd's decision to abolish the Pacific Solution and Gillard's refusal to change Labor's numerous failed border protection policies and the Greens share the blame for supporting them.




someone knows you can be sure of that.... just admitting it would be a surprise all round wouldnt it?..

as a matter of fact I do not recall krudd or gillard even mentioning the deaths at sea.........sudden silence...and as for Moore does anyone really take her seriously???.....she looks like she spends every hour in front of the mirror.


Never before has a Labor policy cost so many their lives. It is such a shame that populist politics won ahead of common sense with Rudd and Gillard.



Howard's illegal hobby invasion of Iraq resulted in the death of well over 100,000 people???
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Reply #9 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:12am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:02am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

[highlight]Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


No one knows for sure how many drowned because it's entirely possible that some boats never made it far enough to be reported missing, but the general consensus ranges from as low as 1,000 to as high as 2,000. That's a hell of a death toll on Rudd's decision to abolish the Pacific Solution and Gillard's refusal to change Labor's numerous failed border protection policies and the Greens share the blame for supporting them.




someone knows you can be sure of that.... just admitting it would be a surprise all round wouldnt it?..

as a matter of fact I do not recall krudd or gillard even mentioning the deaths at sea.........sudden silence...and as for Moore does anyone really take her seriously???.....she looks like she spends every hour in front of the mirror.


Never before has a Labor policy cost so many their lives. It is such a shame that populist politics won ahead of common sense with Rudd and Gillard.



Howard's illegal hobby invasion of Iraq resulted in the death of well over 100,000 people???


I keep forgetting that Howard was once leader of the Free World. Gawd, you're stupid!  Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:14am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:03am:
Some people just don't believe anything that Ackerman or Bolt haven't told them ????

Do we really need to have their articles reposted here every day ???

Surely some of you conservative amebae have the occasional original thought to post?

I bet you guys set your morning alarm to 2GB just so that you will know what to believe for the day.


At least I post articles from media outlets that are subject to scrutiny by various media authorities, unlike your left-wing hack websites that are subject to no scrutiny whatsoever to ascertain the truthfulness in their stories.
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Reply #11 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:18am
 
Armpit and cods I ask true blue this question in this thread and he hasn't answer lets see if one of you can.

What has asylum seeker done to you personally that you want them from coming to Australia?
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Reply #12 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:44am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:02am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


No one knows for sure how many drowned because it's entirely possible that some boats never made it far enough to be reported missing, but the general consensus ranges from as low as 1,000 to as high as 2,000. That's a hell of a death toll on Rudd's decision to abolish the Pacific Solution and Gillard's refusal to change Labor's numerous failed border protection policies and the Greens share the blame for supporting them.




someone knows you can be sure of that.... just admitting it would be a surprise all round wouldnt it?..

as a matter of fact I do not recall krudd or gillard even mentioning the deaths at sea.........sudden silence...and as for Moore does anyone really take her seriously???.....she looks like she spends every hour in front of the mirror.


Never before has a Labor policy cost so many their lives. It is such a shame that populist politics won ahead of common sense with Rudd and Gillard.



[highlight]Howard's illegal hobby invasion of Iraq resulted in the death of well over 100,000 people???




pray what has that got to do with this thread???



dont you find it strange that although you keep CLAIMING AUSTRALIANS were responsible for 100000 deaths.. we did not lose one man to enemy fire???

did he kill 4 innocent young men through a BOTCHED PROGRAM..

DID HE ROB A WIDOWS FUND.. because if you insist on bringing up LIES I will continue to BRING UP things that WE DO KNOW ABOUT>> we just dont have the full details YET.


but they are COMING...

so keep at it dna...its not hard to talk about those who drowned at sea and in roof cavities and widows who didnt receive their funding.. it isnt hard at all..
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Reply #13 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:44am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:04am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:02am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:56am:
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hanson-Young is now dismayed the Australian naval personnel may be responsible for saving lives at sea.

Speaking to "our" ABC after Indonesian authorities reported at least two illegal people smuggler boats had returned to Indonesia (there have been more), the pointless South Australian said the people-smuggler passengers "could have drowned".

Her stupidity was in marked contrast to the measured words of the Indonesian police chief Senior Commander Hidayat on the island of Rote, who explained to Indonesia's Antara news service why the Australian navy provided the passengers with life vests and communication equipment before sending them back into Indonesian waters.[/highlight

"The Australian Navy knows the local ship crews will usually put leaks in boats that aim to enter Australian waters, thus they took the initiative to anticipate it," Hidayat said.

It is obvious from the Indonesian media reports that the Abbott government's policy of permitting the Australian military to oversee Operation Sovereign Borders in concert with its Indonesian counterparts is bearing fruit.

Unlike the Rudd government's u




she wouldnt have a clue... does she even know how many drowned during the rudd/gillard/rudd/brown years I bet she doesnt even know..its not a vote winner is it? Angry Angry.. next week they will be talking up gay marriage.


No one knows for sure how many drowned because it's entirely possible that some boats never made it far enough to be reported missing, but the general consensus ranges from as low as 1,000 to as high as 2,000. That's a hell of a death toll on Rudd's decision to abolish the Pacific Solution and Gillard's refusal to change Labor's numerous failed border protection policies and the Greens share the blame for supporting them.




someone knows you can be sure of that.... just admitting it would be a surprise all round wouldnt it?..

as a matter of fact I do not recall krudd or gillard even mentioning the deaths at sea.........sudden silence...and as for Moore does anyone really take her seriously???.....she looks like she spends every hour in front of the mirror.


Never before has a Labor policy cost so many their lives. It is such a shame that populist politics won ahead of common sense with Rudd and Gillard.



[highlight]Howard's illegal hobby invasion of Iraq resulted in the death of well over 100,000 people???




pray what has that got to do with this thread???



dont you find it strange that although you keep CLAIMING AUSTRALIANS were responsible for 100000 deaths.. we did not lose one man to enemy fire???

did he kill 4 innocent young men through a BOTCHED PROGRAM..

DID HE ROB A WIDOWS FUND.. because if you insist on bringing up LIES I will continue to BRING UP things that WE DO KNOW ABOUT>> we just dont have the full details YET.


but they are COMING...

so keep at it dna...its not hard to talk about those who drowned at sea and in roof cavities and widows who didnt receive their funding.. it isnt hard at all..


Nothing. It's got nothing to do with this thread. Just another leftarded loser trying to show (wrongly) that Howards' support of the Iraq war means he caused more deaths there than Rudd/Gillard did with their shambolic border security policies. Love it when they use the Howard/Iraq thing because it makes me laugh that they think Howard was responsible for the war and that he must have been Leader of the Free World at the time, LOL!!!  Grin Grin Grin
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John S wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:18am:
Armpit and cods I ask true blue this question in this thread and he hasn't answer lets see if one of you can.

What has asylum seeker done to you personally tyou want them from coming to Australia?
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a silly question and you know it....personally.. so everything comes down to personal experience is that what you are saying???????..

I presume you mean DONT WANT THEM COMING.TO AUSTRALIA..


its a bit hard to come FROM..


I put myself in the place of those that are going through the correct procedure I know of a family that waited 3 years in a Turkish camp to be given permission to come here...they didnt jump the queue they didnt have thousands to p[ay a crook who goes by the name pf people smuggler... do you know some of the people smugglers are running their business from THIS VERY COUNTRY.. having come in on a boat...

I did not INVITE THEM INTO MY HOME.....if you dont mind GATECRASHERS thats your problem..because you do doesnt mean we all have to... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

you might like taking codliveroil as well...

as it is these people are counted and they become part of our allotment of refugees... and an awful lot of them are not refugees..[have you noticed that word seem to have gone off the radar as well] Angry

I dont have to have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.. to have an opinion...total rubbish and you know it.. but its what you thrive on.. its how your mind works...

ooooo they are asylum haters... NOT SO.....

if they come in the right way I do not have a problem at all...


and judging by the gangs we \now have..we havent exactly always brought in the right type that way either..

but at least its our govts choice... not some crim in Indonesia.


does that answer your weird question

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