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Reply #105 - Jan 30^th, 2014 at 8:33pm

Adamant wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 3:34pm:

wally, they own it. muslims invaded it.

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Just as Muhammadans are invading peaceful people all around the world. Israel being just another front in the Islamic conquest of humanity.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/palestine_palestinians.htm#muslims_target_civili...

""18 percent of the nearly 2,000 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces since the uprising began in September 2,000 were civilians with no connection to the acts of terror.' This comes to approximately 360 innocent civilians killed in the course of legitimate self-defense.'"
"Of the more than 800 Israeli deaths, approximately 567 have been innocent civilians [over 70%], many of these children, women and the elderly. Every such killing is an act of first-degree murder. To compare the accidental killing of civilians during legitimate self-defense against terrorism with the targeted murder of innocent civilians is like comparing medicine to poison. Both can result in death; but with the former, it is a tragic, if sometimes foreseeable, side effect, whereas with the latter it is the direct intended effect."
" 'On the Israeli side, 80 percent of those killed were noncombatants, most of whom were women and girls. Israeli female fatalities far outnumbered Palestinian female fatalities by either 3 to 1 or 4 to 1. (So far, I have heard no feminist complaints about this; have you?) Israeli women and girls constituted almost 40 percent of the Israeli noncombatants killed by Palestinians. Of the Palestinian deaths, over 95 percent were male. In other words, Palestinians purposefully went after women, children, and other unarmed civilians and Israelis fought against armed male soldiers who were attacking them.'"

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views? Reply #106 - Jan 30^th, 2014 at 8:54pm come now, there's two sides to every story I can't believe people even pick a side in the Israeli Palestine conflict. Both are guilty of horrible war crimes.
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #108 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:45am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

"Of the more than 800 Israeli deaths, approximately 567 have been innocent civilians [over 70%], many of these children, women and the elderly.

"'On the [b]Israeli side, 80 percent of those killed were noncombatants, most of whom were women and girls.

Of the Palestinian deaths, over 95 percent were male. In other words, Palestinians purposefully went after women, children, and other unarmed civilians and Israelis fought against armed male soldiers who were attacking them.'"

Stratos wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

come now, there's two sides to every story

There certainly is here. God's VS Satan's.
The freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination of Israeli's democracy VS the murder, mayhem and misery of an Islamic slave state.
The Holy Spirit VS spirit of antichrist.
From your link:
"Leshno Yar said the 43-page document was part of a pattern of "demonising Israel" in the Council -- where an informal bloc of Islamic and African nations usually backed by Russia, China and Cuba has a built-in majority."
Islamic slave states with statutes to murder "apostates" and those guilty of "blasphemy". With Pakistan leading the charge at the Godless Islamists U.N. for global blasphemy laws. That is, for speaking honestly and openly about Muhammad, his anti-religion and cult.
Though I doubt anybody in here has any misunderstanding as to which side you have chosen, even as you pretend not to have.

It's no coincidence that the fruit of the anti-Zionist tree includes Muslims, Nazis, skinheads, white supremacists, communist Soviets, Louis Farrakan and the "Nation of Islam", George Soros and his Center for American Progress and antisemites of all stripes.
http://www.zionismchristian.com/anti_zionism.htm

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

I can't believe people even pick a side in the Israeli Palestine conflict. Both are guilty of horrible war crimes.

The reason you are unable to discern the difference between the murder of imperialistic Islamic aggression, and Israeli national self-defense therefrom, is because your ability to distinguish the difference between right and wrong is influenced by the spirit of antichrist.

I suppose perhaps the center of your focus in that quoted from my prior post, will be the 10% discrepancy between those two approximations, rather than the fact that Muhammadans specifically target innocent civilians all around the world. Whether in Israel, the Sudan, Nigeria or anywhere else around the world.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#slaught...

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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #109 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 5:36am

Karnal - not willing to contribute, not willing to reveal his true opinion on any serious issue....
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You can’t escape, G.

Best to just confess and name names.

Get it over and done with.

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Do you have an opinion on the topic Karnal, or are you just trying out for the chearleading team?

Karnal - not willing to contribute, not willing to reveal his true opinion on any serious issue....
Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Do you think the Australian Muslims protesting over Egypt have a genuine interest in promoting democracy throughout the Muslim world? Or are they more interested in furthering Morsi's and similar policies, which in this case happen to coincide with democracy?

Do you think that Morsi represents the majority of Egyptian Muslims? Do you think his policies reflect the will of the majority? Is it fair to judge Egyptian Muslims by that standard?

I have no idea, but they all seem awfully nice.

Not one beheading slogan in the lot - how did they manage that?

They look more like Quakers than Muslims to me, FD.

iUS political correctness once again costing lives.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377296416/65#65
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379806836/50#50
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1380162579/0#0
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ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.

A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #110 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 5:43am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:45am:

The reason you are unable to discern the difference between the murder of imperialistic Islamic aggression, and Israeli national self-defense therefrom, is because your ability to distinguish the difference between right and wrong is influenced by the spirit of antichrist.

So are you defending Israel's actions of "national self defence", even if it includes what was stated in the article, which includes:

-targeting civilians
-using children as human shields
-attacks on schools
-attacks on medical facilities

I'm not defending the actions of Palestine, just saying that both sides are guilty of crimes.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #111 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 6:18am

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Do you think the Australian Muslims protesting over Egypt have a genuine interest in promoting democracy throughout the Muslim world?

Or are they more interested in furthering Morsi's and similar policies, which in this case happen to coincide with democracy?

Come on FD!

'Australian Muslims protesting over Egypt' are not promoting democracy.

Nor does Morsi's political ambitions and aims, 'coincide with [those of] democracy', imo.

Rather, Morsi in Egypt, and 'Australian Muslims protesting over Egypt' are simply exploiting [and abusing] the political 'facility' which democracy affords to them, so as to seize local political power, with an intent to 'burn down' and destroy the democracy 'house'.

And remember consider, Morsi in Egypt, and 'Australian Muslims protesting over Egypt' [neither themselves, nor their forefathers], have made ANY sacrifice to secure the political 'facility' of democracy [which we in Australia 'enjoy'], so as to secure the political freedoms which democracy affords them [i.e. 'Australian Muslims protesting over Egypt'].

It is we, Australians, who have simply 'gifted' a right to democratic freedoms [and rights] to those who have come to this country to live - because their own country had been rendered unfit to live in [by their own estimation!] by the exact same political system - ISLAM - which these cultural guests, now wish to impose upon their host ['sanctuary'] country.

Australian moslems do not deserve the right, to participate in the democratic system, here in Australia, in my opinion!

Australian moslems have demonstrated [largely], a commitment, only to the exact same political system - ISLAM - which caused then to flee their own homelands, a political system which does not afford political rights to the individual.

the right to choose what to wear
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1302598375/106#106
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FD,

....The 'logic' you embrace, is that you propose to defend the rights of those, who's only intent is to destroy YOUR rights, and intend to become your oppressor.

It is as though you hold a box of matches in your hands, and declare;

"It is wrong to burn down a house. And that is why i will not burn down this house."

But then, you choose to give your box of matches to a person who wishes to burn down the house.
Illogical.

FD, you are expressing a false virtue.
In that you seem to see nothing wrong with giving moslems the means, to destroy the political 'environment' which facilitates, your own right of 'individual choice'.
When i say 'false virtue', i mean to convey the total lack of 'proper' discernment, in your worldview.

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Q.
If moslems come to live, in countries like Australia, will moslems learn righteousness ?

A.
No.

Because a moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Isaiah 26:10
Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #112 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:04am

Stratos wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 5:43am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:45am:

The reason you are unable to discern the difference between the murder of imperialistic Islamic aggression, and Israeli national self-defense therefrom, is because your ability to distinguish the difference between right and wrong is influenced by the spirit of antichrist.

So are you defending Israel's actions of "national self defence", even if it includes what was stated in the article, which includes:

-targeting civilians
-using children as human shields
-attacks on schools
-attacks on medical facilities

I'm not defending the actions of Palestine, just saying that both sides are guilty of crimes.

You only further confirmed my point by your completely ignoring the statistics on casualties, while continuing to support and cite Godless liars of the side that has whose method of operation is to specifically target innocent civilians and terrorize, whose side you have chosen because you are of them.

John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

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Reply #113 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:10am

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:04am:

ignoring the statistics on casualties

Not ignoring them. Not saying the Palestinians are innocent. Read what I said if you don't believe me.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:04am:

while continuing to support and cite Godless liars

Are they lying? The news article quotes a UN document. Furthermore, how do you know these are lies?

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:04am:

of the side that has whose method of operation is to specifically target innocent civilians and terrorize

Odd thing to say, as the allegations against Israel as per the report demonstrate they did these things too.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:04am:

whose side you have chosen because you are of them.

Show me where I have given any side support in this argument.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views? Reply #114 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:35am Ah, Y, there is only one true opinion on things, no? Yours.
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Reply #115 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:27am

Summary of Israeli Violations of International Law in 2013

The year 2013 witnessed over 20,000 severe violations against the occupied State of Palestine and its people, who have suffered a number of violent attacks and incursions at the hands of Israel, the occupying power. These violations include attacks by both Israeli authorities and settlers, along with home demolitions, arbitrary arrests and the ongoing construction of illegal settlements.

Since the resumption of negotiations at the end of July 2013, Israel has announced almost 6200 new settlement units, throughout the occupied State of Palestine.

Please find below a Media Brief prepared by the NSU summarizing Israel’s violations of International Law during 2013, with a particular focus on violations committed since the beginning of negotiations, a process which is supposed to lead to a just and lasting peace.

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Reply #116 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:33am

The jews cant even leave a poor camel alone.

Zionists arrest camel

The israeli occupation forces in the district of Bethlehem arrested a camel yesterday under the pretext that it had entered into a “military zone”. The event took place near the Al-Rashaide village east of Bethlehem city in the occupied West Bank.

Palestinian newspapers reported that Fawaz Rshaide, head of the Palestinian village council of Al- Rashaide, told reporters that the israeli soldiers had arrested a camel belonging to Musallam Younis Rshaaidhe because the camel had supposedly entered a “military zone”.

“Military zones” are arbitrarily declared by the occupation to serve as a pretext to seize by force lands owned by Palestinians. It works like this: a “military zone” is declared over an area which the zionists want to steal, what means that the owners of these lands are not allowed to go to their land (and homes). The lands in question are then “confiscated” as a punishment if the owners enter their lands which are now a “military zone”, or they are declared “abandoned” by the occupation if the owners don’t show up for some time, and then seized and turned over to European or American squatters.

Didk05Mr. Rshaide added that the israeli soldiers stole the camel, which belonged to a Palestinian, and fled the area. The Camel was taken to the military colony “Ma’ale Adumim” near Al – Eizariya in the West Bank, near occupied Jerusalem.

He explained that the Israeli soldiers arrested the owner of the camel too in order to force him to pay a fine of 2,000 shekels to have his animal released from jail. In addition, the israeli soldiers who stole the camel, “asked” it’s owner to pay 600 shekels as “extra fees” for the transportation of the camel, which they stole and brought from the Palestinian land to the zionist colony.

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Reply #117 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:44am

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:35am:

Ah, Y, there is only one true opinion on things, no?

Yours.

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

You'll never win against Y.

He's got the game sewn up.

K,

Debate on a public forum, or in a public place, is a contest of ideas.

In the statement above, you are PUBLICLY conceding that any ideals, or ideas, which you have, are worth less than my ideals, and ideas.

K,

If the position [the argument, the worldview] that you hold [and presumably cherish?], had any merit, you would have the courage to disclose it.

If the position [the argument, the worldview] that you hold [and presumably cherish?] had any merit, you would simply engage me in argument/debate, with a view to defeating my arguments with valid counter arguments.

But your position and argument, and the worldview that you hold [and presumably cherish?] is [clearly] UNWORTHY, and [clearly] bereft of any merit.

And yet, with those persons that you 'engage' with [THAT IS A LAUGH!], here on OzPol, you don't ever concede.

You don't have the courage to ever concede.

Instead, here on the OzPol forum, you employ deflection, evasion and denial, and snide remarks, in opposing the character of other posters on the OzPol forum.

snide remarks....

e.g.

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

You'll never win against Y.

He's got the game sewn up.

K,

The only game you are playing on the OzPol forum, is 'running away' and refusing to 'front up' [i.e. a coward!], because your intellect [presumably] is unable to defend the worldview that you hold [and presumably cherish?] - a worldview that, indeed, K is not even prepared to disclose, here in the OzPol forum.

Q.
Why isn't K prepared to disclose and defend the worldview that he holds ?

A.
Presumably, because the worldview that K holds [and presumably cherishes], is, unworthy, AND, indefensible.

And imo, K's own behaviour in this forum confirms that fact.

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K,

If what i, and others, have revealed about ISLAM in this forum is incorrect,
THEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE WHERE WE ARE IN ERROR,
and correct us, in debate on this forum.

K,

We await your perspicuous argument(s), defending ISLAM and moslems,
...and demonstrating our 'error'.

Crickets chirping........

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views? Reply #118 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:47am wally1 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:33am: The jews cant even leave a poor camel alone. Zionists arrest camel This is very bad. Camel is the ship of the deserts.
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Reply #119 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:48am

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 9:44am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:35am:

Ah, Y, there is only one true opinion on things, no?

Yours.

Karnal wrote on Jan 30^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

You'll never win against Y.

He's got the game sewn up.

K,

Debate on a public forum, or in a public place, is a contest of ideas.

In the statement above, you are PUBLICLY conceding that any ideals, or ideas, which you have, are worth less than my ideals, and ideas.

But of course, Y.

I'm no match for Gud.

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