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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #120 - Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:56am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:48am:
Yadda wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:44am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 8:35am:
Ah, Y, there is only one true opinion on things, no?

Yours.





Karnal wrote on Jan 30th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

You'll never win against Y.


He's got the game sewn up.




K,

Debate on a public forum, or in a public place, is a contest of ideas.

In the statement above, you are PUBLICLY conceding that any ideals, or ideas, which you have, are worth less than my ideals, and ideas.


But of course, Y.

I'm no match for Gud.




Ah, ah.







US political correctness once again costing lives.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377296416/65#65
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ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.


A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.




Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #121 - Jan 31st, 2014 at 10:01am
 
wally1 wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:33am:
The jews cant even leave a poor camel alone.


Zionists arrest camel


The israeli occupation forces in the district of Bethlehem arrested a camel yesterday under the pretext that it had entered into a “military zone”. The event took place near the Al-Rashaide village east of Bethlehem city in the occupied West Bank.

Palestinian newspapers reported that Fawaz Rshaide, head of the Palestinian village council of Al- Rashaide, told reporters that the israeli soldiers had arrested a camel belonging to Musallam Younis Rshaaidhe because the camel had supposedly entered a “military zone”.

“Military zones” are arbitrarily declared by the occupation to serve as a pretext to seize by force lands owned by Palestinians. It works like this: a “military zone” is declared over an area which the zionists want to steal, what means that the owners of these lands are not allowed to go to their land (and homes). The lands in question are then “confiscated” as a punishment if the owners enter their lands which are now a “military zone”, or they are declared “abandoned” by the occupation if the owners don’t show up for some time, and then seized and turned over to European or American squatters.

Didk05Mr. Rshaide added that the israeli soldiers stole the camel, which belonged to a Palestinian, and fled the area. The Camel was taken to the military colony “Ma’ale Adumim” near Al – Eizariya in the West Bank, near occupied Jerusalem.

He explained that the Israeli soldiers arrested the owner of the camel too in order to force him to pay a fine of 2,000 shekels to have his animal released from jail. In addition, the israeli soldiers who stole the camel, “asked” it’s owner to pay 600 shekels as “extra fees” for the transportation of the camel, which they stole and brought from the Palestinian land to the zionist colony.








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There Can Be No End to Jihad'

Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11, the Christians he most respects, and the Jesus he defends.
posted 11/05/2007
....Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed.
....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise.
....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do.
However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.


.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems.

Google;
"There Can Be No End to Jihad"




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #122 - Jan 31st, 2014 at 10:15am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:56am:
A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.




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Yes friends, only Gud knows what lies in our hearts and minds.

You can Google it.
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #123 - Jan 31st, 2014 at 11:22am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 10:15am:
Yadda wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:56am:
A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.





Yes friends, only Gud knows what lies in our hearts and minds.

You can Google it.





Yes friends, only Gud knows what lies in the heart and mind of Karnal.





Karnal wrote on Jan 29th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

......I'm hardly an atheist, Y. I believe in Gud.











http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233323/103#103
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Ah, my friends, we must agree with all the peoples - even those who disagree we agree to agree.

We need all letters of the alphabet, isn’t it. FD, Y, OB, all. Gud is great, no?

We are the letters. Gud is the words.

Allah Uakbar.









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There is no god but Gud.

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Who said so?

A.
Karnal said so, bless him, bless him, peace be upon him.

It is a Gudly worlds, no?









Yes, as i said;

Only Gud knows what lies [verb] in the heart of Karnal.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #124 - Jan 31st, 2014 at 12:25pm
 
True, Y. You merely interpret the voice of Gud.
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Reply #125 - Jan 31st, 2014 at 12:58pm
 
Karnal wrote: Quote:
This is very bad. Camel is the ship of the deserts.


Ship of the deserts?

Because it is full of muslim semen?
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #126 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 2:40am
 
wally1 wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:33am:
The jews cant even leave a poor camel alone.


THE false prophet Muhammad couldn't even leave a poor monkey alone! Indeed stoned it for "illegal sexual intercourse"!

Bukhari B58, #188 Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

Of course it is always the "shes" that are guilty of sexual indiscretion in Islam, since men are allowed 4 wives, a bevy of concubines, divorce through a single sentence repeated 3 times (even by text message), and temporary "marriage" for as short a time as 24 hours.

wally1 wrote on Jan 31st, 2014 at 9:33am:
Zionists arrest camel


The israeli occupation forces in the district of Bethlehem arrested a camel yesterday under the pretext that it had entered into a “military zone”. The event took place near the Al-Rashaide village east of Bethlehem city in the occupied West Bank.


How would they know that the camel didn't have a bomb sewn into his body or stuck up its arse?

There has even been reports of a religious ruling, for an exemption from rules regarding sodomy for Muslim suicide bombers, in order to enlarge their anuses for purposes of stuffing a bomb up their arse.
https://www.google.com/#q=exemption+on+sodomy+suicide+bombers
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #127 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:05am
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 4:26am:
As I remember you yourself even expressed your approval of Muslims punishing former Muslims for the "apostasy" of leaving Islam.


There are passages where Christians are called to punish those who leave the church Pete.  Surely you know this



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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #128 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:16am
 
Ah Pete, bit of a slip up here in your bolding I think in your monkey story

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 2:40am:
Bukhari B58, #188 Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.



May I present what a genuine person would have done with that?

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #129 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:29am
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 4:26am:
As I remember you yourself even expressed your approval of Muslims punishing former Muslims for the "apostasy" of leaving Islam.


You remember wrong.
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Reply #130 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 7:43am
 
As usual the Christian members have to come out with there lies again, and they also get caught out repeatedly with the false accusations and lies.

The story of the stoning of the monkey happened before Mohamed, and the story relates to a individual who observed certain people stoning some monkeys.

The stoning of the money was probably done by Christians like waldo and yadda.The story never implied it was done by muslims and the hadith is not from the prophet Mohamed and Mohamed never endorsed stoning of animals.

Its only a story that was related by a new muslim and he just narrated what he saw his people do to animals who practised sex with eachother.

The christinas would also belt and kill animals cause they thought evil came from them.Go look it up.
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Reply #131 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:13am
 
man, you guys are literally not able to even process words properly when you are trying to score points against Muslims.  It's actually quite disturbing.

freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:07am:
Bukhari B58, #188 Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance
I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.


WTF? Is that supposed to be Muhammed telling the story? Not only did he project onto Jews and Christians, but even monkeys!

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #132 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24am
 
I think you are missing the point stratos. We are not criticising the monkeys for doing this, nor the people supposedly involved for witnessing it. We are criticising Muslims because of what it reveals about them that they would make up this story, and by what it reveals about you that you think it important to blame non-Muslims for stoning the monkey.
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Reply #133 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:32am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24am:
We are criticising Muslims because of what it reveals about them that they would make up this story


Is that right?

freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:07am:
WTF? Is that supposed to be Muhammed telling the story? Not only did he project onto Jews and Christians, but even monkeys!


That's not what you said at all.

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 2:40am:
THE false prophet Muhammad couldn't even leave a poor monkey alone! Indeed stoned it for "illegal sexual intercourse"!


Or Pete. 

freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24am:
and by what it reveals about you that you think it important to blame non-Muslims for stoning the monkey.


Well seeing as according to the story this was before Islam, it can ONLY be non Muslims responsible for the stoning.  Sorry if the truth is inconvenient with your need to try and score dumb points without reading things properly.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #134 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 11:21am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 9:24am:
I think you are missing the point stratos. We are not criticising the monkeys for doing this, nor the people supposedly involved for witnessing it. We are criticising Muslims because of what it reveals about them that they would make up this story, and by what it reveals about you that you think it important to blame non-Muslims for stoning the monkey.


What a stupid non-issue.

The person involved was a certain Amr bin Maimun, who is describing an example of what stupid people did in pre-Islamic times ("they" refers to people, not the monkeys) This account just happened to be recorded by someone, and Mr Bukhari, centuries later, for some reason known only to him, saw fit to add this to the collection of ahadeeth.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Prophet Muhammad.

And FD, if you want to start a thread about this or anything else, please make some effort to make it intelligible and sensible - as opposed to just bunching a whole heap of random quotes with no duscussion. In any case, I'm happy to class this as related to "judging muslims by actions, not views".
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