Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 11:19pm:


It is so preposterously laughable it is stunning. Their grasp on history is generally equivalent to that of an illiterate 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller. If they actually investigated history they would recognize that since Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD, then everything they are taught about Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael is a scripture-contrary pile of provably pure poppycock, that was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD, without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/evidence_for_islam.htm

The absurdity of referring to the period before their illiterate "messenger" as being one of ignorance is demonstrated to be absolutely preposterous in the light of such as Greek and Roman engineering and architecture, and even an analog computer - the Antikythera mechanism - being produced over 700 years before Muhammad was ever born!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

Compare that with the crude completely unsymmetrical black stone box that they march around, just as the Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worshipers did, before Muhammad was ever born.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm

Let alone that after Muhammad "enlightened" his followers, they were then expected to believe in flying donkey-mules, giant flying carpets that Solomon and his army traveled on, talking ants and birds, and that the sun sets in a pool of murky water!
http://www.brotherpete.com/fables_fantasies.htm

With our resident closet Muslim Stratos suggesting that what a "genuine person" should find important - about that what should have been an embarrassing and humiliating hadith regarding the sexual transgressions of a monkey - should have been it's ridiculous content, rather than the time in history of when that foolishness was supposed to have taken place!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1389655854/146#146

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wally1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:43am:


Read it again Wally. The story was about MONKEYS stoning a fellow monkey, and Muhammad joining them. But then if he is to be known for anything at all, it should be his reprobate Satan-inspired cruelty. He did lots worse to human beings:

Bukhari V4 B52 #261 "...they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina).
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

wally1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:43am:


So even by opening your post with false accusation against Christians, for simply copy and pasting that foolishness, you now accuse Christians of stoning the monkey, when what the hadith reports is that Muhammad joined the monkeys in stoning that monkey.

And I want to thank you for that excellent and blatant display of Islamic dissimulation / taqiyyah, that is lying in the way of Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" regardless as to how transparent and provable your lie is.

wally1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:43am:


It is a story that says what it says, and is related in what is considered Islam's second most divinely inspired texts, considered second only to the Quran itself in divine inspiration.
Of course those of us in the Spirit of God recognize that the whole lot of Islam's evil antichrist books can only be inspired by Satan himself - the father of lies.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

wally1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 7:43am:

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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 8:12am:


Just that those carrying the signs are obviously too stupid and/or history ignorant to understand, that 1400 years of Islamic history clearly demonstrates, that Islam is the very antithesis of freedom liberty and the right to self-determination.

Now it will help you understand this if you would please answer my post, and explain how I had a lapse of memory, regarding your view on apostasy:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1389655854/165#165

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 8:59am:


Seems you are simply running from the false prophet Muhammad's anti-religion of Islam again. I don't know what Chinese have to do with the death penalty for apostasy in Islam. Few things are more Islamic than punishing, even threatening on pain of death by statute, those that desire to leave Muhammad's cult, as attested by 1400 years of Islamic history and many Islamic countries today. Middle East Islamic nation States in the cradle of Muhammadanism that GET Islam:

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_p...

Iran – illegal (death penalty)[13][14][15]
Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)[15]
Pakistan – illegal (death penalty[15] since 2007)
United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging)[16]
Somalia – illegal (death penalty)[17]
Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)[18][19]
Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)[15][20]
Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution)[21][22]
Qatar – illegal (death penalty)[23]
Yemen – illegal (death penalty)[23]
Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)[24][25]
Maldives - see article
Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days)[26]
Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy[28][29][30]
Oman – legal in criminal code, but according to the family code, a father can lose custody of his child[31]

The threat of State sponsored murder, as well as lesser penalties imposed on people, for simply exercising their God-given right to free exercise of religion and self-determination, like in your own country of Malaysia.

So then you are saying that in your opinion.....
"The truth is, we are talking about whether or not muslims have the right to introduce hudud apostasy and adultery laws on themselves, and only on themselves."

..... that Muslims absolutely DO NOT have the right to introduce "hudud apostasy and adultery laws on themselves" (which in reality means imposing them forcefully on those that disagree).

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 9:40am:


I was so disappointed that he couldn't bring himself to respond to a single point in that post that took so long to construct. Yet he doesn't even seem to be able to understand why he can't.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388619982/68#68