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Reply #150 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:29pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:19pm:

The way they missed the beheading poster?

Oh, you mean the poster that was part of a riot pretty much unanimously condemned and rejected by all of Australia's Muslims?

Oh yes that one.

Stratos,

[If you are not already a 'deep cover' moslem, pretending to be a non-moslem in this public forum], then you really should consider converting, and becoming a 'fully accredited' Mohammedan.

It is clear, Stratos, that in many of your posts [like your post above], that you are not merely an apologist for ISLAM/moslems, but that you do have a moslem heart.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #151 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:49pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Unanimous? Is this another example of Muslims changing their mind about what they really think?

Ok, not unanimous, bad word. But have a look here.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/top-australian-muslim-leader-condemns-...

and here

http://www.afr.com/p/national/muslim_leaders_condemn_violent_protests_UkritXfm5B...

and here

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-16/islamic-groups-condemn-violent-sydney-prot...

i'm sure I can find more

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

bukhari/ #004.052.269

Q.
And what is the purpose of moslem deceit, towards non-moslems ?

Hmmmmm.

I wonder, what could it be ???

Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BLATANT MOSLEM DECEIT, TOWARDS THE BROADER UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY....

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A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence....

[quote]

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #152 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:

If you are not already a 'deep cover' moslem, pretending to be a non-moslem in this public forum

yes sorry, you've rumbled me. I secretly pretend to be what I defend on these forums. Here I am coming out of the closet as a Muslim homosexual boat person Keynesian economist with public education and healthcare.

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:

It is clear, Stratos, that in many of your posts [like your post above], that you are not merely an apologist for ISLAM/moslems, but that you do have a moslem heart.

Point out where my post was wrong Yadda. That'd be great and we could have a lovely discussion about it and come to a mutual agreement based on the facts at hand.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #153 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Unanimous? Is this another example of Muslims changing their mind about what they really think?

Ok, not unanimous, bad word. But have a look here.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/top-australian-muslim-leader-condemns-...

and here

http://www.afr.com/p/national/muslim_leaders_condemn_violent_protests_UkritXfm5B...

and here

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-16/islamic-groups-condemn-violent-sydney-prot...

i'm sure I can find more

The Quran is very specific on how to deal with people who mock Islam.

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Indeed the penalty for those who wage war against allah and his messenger and strive upon earth to cause corruption is none but they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides,or that they be exiled from the land.
www.quran.com/5/33

The muslims who had those behead those who insult the profit signs are following the Quran.

Of course 2/85 says you cannot pick and choose which parts of Islam to follow.
www.quran.com/2/85

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views? Reply #154 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:54pm Ah look, more of Yadda's lies. By now you think he'd know the Koran only mentions that you can hide your faith in order to protect yourself from danger. But obviously falsehoods are less important to him than telling the truth. What an interesting "doctrine of deceit" you have going today Yadda
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Reply #155 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:

If you are not already a 'deep cover' moslem, pretending to be a non-moslem in this public forum

yes sorry, you've rumbled me [....more sarcasm]......

Yes thank you.

I thought that i had correctly 'sussed' what it is, that you truly represent, in all of your apologetics for ISLAM/moslems.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #156 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:01pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Ah look, more of Yadda's lies.

By now you think he'd know the Koran only mentions that you can hide your faith in order to protect yourself from danger. But obviously falsehoods are less important to him than telling the truth.

What an interesting "doctrine of deceit" you have going today Yadda

Taqiyya is a shia doctrine,Abu the former moderator says the shia can lie at will.

The sunni are only allowed to lie in 3 circumstances which Falah a muslim who posted here agreed with and posted a link from Sheik Munajid.
1.At time of war, the non muslim west is called Dar al Harb which means land of war, muslims can lie at will to people in Dar al Harb.
2.To your wife, Islam allows a man to tell lies to his wife.
3.To reconcile 2 or more parties, i dont know how this works when one side sees the other lying through their teeth.

If you ask a muslim about Islam they will be like a used car salesman combined with a politician in selling that horse manure called Islam to you.

If you ask an ex muslim they will say Islam is bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit.
www.councilofexmuslims.com

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views? Reply #157 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:02pm Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm: I thought that i had correctly 'sussed' what it is, that you truly represent, in all of your apologetics for ISLAM/moslems. Find me one example where I have defended extremism. Just one. I dare you.
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #158 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:09pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Ah look, more of Yadda's lies.

By now you think he'd know the Koran only mentions that you can hide your faith in order to protect yourself from danger. But obviously falsehoods are less important to him than telling the truth.

What an interesting "doctrine of deceit" you have going today Yadda

Stratos,

You are perpetuating another moslem deceit and lie.

Every moslem deceit and lie which advances the interests of moslems and ISLAM, is permissible, to and for, the moslem.

e.g.
Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.php

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views? Reply #159 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:12pm Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:02pm: Find me one example where I have defended extremism. Just one. I dare you.
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Reply #160 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:29pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:02pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:59pm:

I thought that i had correctly 'sussed' what it is, that you truly represent, in all of your apologetics for ISLAM/moslems.

Find me one example where I have defended extremism. Just one. I dare you.

OK, i will prove it to you, to any reasonable person who frequents these forum pages, that you 'have defended extremism'
on this forum.

Stratos,

You unceasingly defend ISLAM and moslems on this forum!

And who, is a moslem ?

A moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

And what is ISLAM ???

And what does ISLAM sanction ?

Does ISLAM sanction violence against 'disbelievers', BECAUSE THEY ARE 'DISBELIEVERS' ?

And if ISLAM did sanction violence against 'disbelievers', BECAUSE THEY ARE 'DISBELIEVERS', wouldn't that violence against 'disbelievers' be counted as an expression of 'extremism' ?

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Find me one example where I have defended extremism."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views? Reply #161 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:35pm Haha, so you try to prove I defend extremism with zero of my own words. Nice. no not nice.... wrong... that's the one
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Reply #162 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:45pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Ah look, more of Yadda's lies.

By now you think he'd know the Koran only mentions that you can hide your faith in order to protect yourself from danger. But obviously falsehoods are less important to him than telling the truth.

What an interesting "doctrine of deceit" you have going today Yadda

So how do you explain so many famous liars, dissimulators and deceivers working for Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah", like Ahmed Deedat, his disciple Naik and Yusuf Estes? (please direct replies to the thread dedicated to this)
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1390996044

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Reply #163 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:55pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:45pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:29pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 12:19pm:

The way they missed the beheading poster?

Oh, you mean the poster that was part of a riot pretty much unanimously condemned and rejected by all of Australia's Muslims?

Oh yes that one.

Stratos,

[If you are not already a 'deep cover' moslem, pretending to be a non-moslem in this public forum], then you really should consider converting, and becoming a 'fully accredited' Mohammedan.

It is clear, Stratos, that in many of your posts [like your post above], that you are not merely an apologist for ISLAM/moslems, but that you do have a moslem heart.

Few places has he made what you suggest more obvious, than when his only criticism of the hadith I quoted and commented on, regarding the ridiculous story of Muhammad joining a bunch of monkeys that were stoning a fellow monkey because it "committed illegal sexual intercourse", was that it was supposed to have happened during the pre-Islam "period of ignorance"!

Who else could believe such tripe but a Muslim?!!
This after his having arrogantly and amusingly said: "May I present what a genuine person would have done with that?"

Check his post here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1389655854/146#146

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Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake

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Reply #164 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:03pm

Lol, Pete, you really do crack me up.

My criticism is that you were trying to misrepresent the what the passage was saying, and you blatantly were, by saying things such as:

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:05am:

The story was about MONKEYS stoning a fellow monkey, and Muhammad joining them.

Did you ever find proof of that? Or is that just another lie?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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