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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #165 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:11pm
 
Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:55pm:
Talk about a Muslim! Who else could believe such tripe?!


Stoning a monkey.  Is that more ridiculous than, say, hearing prophecy from a talking donkey?

Cutting someone into pieces and mailing her around?

People living for 8 or 9 centuries?

Getting turned into salt for looking the wrong way?

Telling people they can pray mountains away?

The correct answer is, they are all ridiculous.  (yes, including the monkey story.  it's freakin' wierd)
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #166 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:37pm
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:03pm:
Lol, Pete, you really do crack me up.

My criticism is that
you were trying to misrepresent the what the passage was saying
, and you blatantly were, by saying things such as:

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:05am:
The story was about MONKEYS stoning a fellow monkey, and Muhammad joining them.


Did you ever find proof of that?


Islam is nothing but a pile of hogwash. There isn't even any proof that Mecca existed prior to the 4th century AD.
I QUOTED THE HADITH. You indicated I misrepresented it.

Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:03pm:
Or is that just another lie?


Who's the liar?
I had even left you a link, but you were so overcome by the spirit of antichrist - by the father of lies himself - that he caused you to lash out and lie about me lying, in false accusation.

Bukhari B58, #188 Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey
surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it
, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse.
I too, stoned it along with them.


Your lie exposed here isn't all that makes you a liar:

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not
God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record
that God gave of his Son.

And simultaneously a false accuser, just as prophesied of such as yourself, in these days:

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,    3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #167 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:42pm
 
So hang on, lets have a look.

it's narrated by someone called Amr bin Maimun.  So when it talks about stoning it, he is talking about himself joining in yes?

So it's not Muhammad.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
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Reply #168 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:02am
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:42pm:
So hang on, lets have a look.

it's narrated by someone called Amr bin Maimun.  So when it talks about stoning it, he is talking about himself joining in yes?

So it's not Muhammad.


You are correct that I jumped to an unsound conclusion, since Amr bin Maimun may not have been quoting Muhammad, but rather recounting his own experience. Though my mistake doesn't make you any less of a liar according to the scriptures.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son

What it does demonstrate is that Muhammadans continue to this day in monkey-see-monkey-do, not only in their stoning of adulterers, but even kissing the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, just as Muhammad did. They themselves will tell you that the only reason they do it is because Muhammad did.
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Reply #169 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:05am
 
I just find it sad and hilarious that a minute ago I was *ahem*

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Who's the liar? I had even left you a link, but you were so overcome by the spirit of antichrist - by the father of lies himself - that he caused you to lash out and lie about me lying, in false accusation.


and suddenly you change your mind when you look at what is actually written in your own quoted words.

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:02am:
Though that doesn't make you any less of a liar according to the scriptures.


Where was I lying in my previous post, demonstrating that the passage wasn't about Muhammad?
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Re: judge Muslims by actions, not views?
Reply #170 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:11am
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:05am:
I just find it sad and hilarious that a minute ago I was *ahem*

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Who's the liar? I had even left you a link, but you were so overcome by the spirit of antichrist - by the father of lies himself - that he caused you to lash out and lie about me lying, in false accusation.


Are you suggesting that my mistake somehow makes you less of a liar according to the scriptures? Less of an antichrist? Less of a false accuser of Jesus Christ? Less of a follower of the father of lies? Less of a blasphemer of God and His scriptures?

Even with accusation against the Gospel writers, and even arguing against the crucifixion, just like a Muslim would:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388621936/136#136

Stratos wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:05am:
and suddenly you change your mind when you look at what is actually written in your own quoted words.

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:02am:
Though that doesn't make you any less of a liar according to the scriptures.


Where was I lying in my previous post, demonstrating that the passage wasn't about Muhammad?


You were not lying on that point, to which I already admitted and repented, and I'll formerly apologize to you for my error and resulting accusation against you. However you didn't point out that it "wasn't about Muhammad", but highlighted that it was "During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance", which didn't help me see your point, since Muhammad was also around during the days before he invented his anti-religion and started his cult. There is no shortage of Islamic literature attesting to those days. Like the occultism in the family of Muhammad:
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/occultism.htm
And Muhammad's being so deeply involved in "Ahnaf" - which was a local sect of the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabians - that the locals often referred to Muhammad simply as "the Sabian".

However you are a chronic liar regarding the things of the Spirit of God. Accompanied by your closet Muslim styled unwavering defense of Satan's antichrist anti-religion.
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Reply #171 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 9:13am
 
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #172 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 7:41pm
 
Actions?

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Reply #173 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:07pm
 
judge Muslims by actions, not views?

That would make things even worse for muslims. They have committed an awful lot of crime in relation to their numbers and how long they've been in the country and then theres their racism toward Aussies, especially the Anglo-Saxon type. It seems they are digging themselves into a hole and they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Reply #174 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:11pm
 
To be fair, Gandalf said actions of the majority - you cannot judge Muslims by what they think, say or do, unless the majority do it. Thus even when they stone people to death you cannot judge them for it because it is hard to get more than 50% to participate.
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Reply #175 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:11pm:
you cannot judge Muslims by what they think, say or do, unless the majority do it.


Why on earth not? I have no idea what arguments of mine you are failing to comprehend, but if I heard about a muslim doing something abhorent, then I would judge them for doing an abhorent act - irrespective of whether he is representative of his community or not.

If you are talking about judging a group of people, then its reasonable to judge it for actions committed by individuals that are typical of, or in any way sanctioned/tolerated by the majority.

Is that fair?
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Reply #176 - Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:22am
 
From the opening post:

freediver wrote on Jan 14th, 2014 at 9:30am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 2:56pm:
Personally, I prefer to exercise caution when judging an entire group of people to be "little Hitler's" and demonize them based solely on one survey in which they are asked to answer "yes" or "no" to a hypothetical. I think its fair to judge them on their actual behaviour - and quite frankly it is not the behaviour of "little Hitler's" to live in harmony with their non-muslim neighbours, nor to overwhelmingly reject the extremist policies you accuse them of wanting, election after election.



This is Gandalf refusing to judge Muslims for supporting the death penalty for apostasy and stoning adulterers to death because they have enough self control not to go round killing people. Given that most Nazis exercised the same level of personal restraint, I think the comparison is entirely reasonable.

Gandalf's first response in this thread:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14th, 2014 at 11:12am:
90% of my posts have been arguing that muslims should be judged by how the majority of muslims behave. You are referencing a discussion in which it was pointed out that the vast majority of muslims vote for anti-hudud parties and live harmoniously with their non-muslim neighbours.

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Reply #177 - Feb 9th, 2014 at 11:22am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2014 at 10:22am:
muslims should be judged by how the majority of muslims behave


Answering "yes" to "should apostates be executed for apostasy" is not a behaviour, it is expressing an opinion.

If muslims in Malaysia start killing people for apostasy or adultery, then I'll start judging them for that behaviour.
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Reply #178 - Feb 9th, 2014 at 11:24am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:11pm:
you cannot judge Muslims by what they think, say or do, unless the majority do it.


Why on earth not? I have no idea what arguments of mine you are failing to comprehend,

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Reply #179 - Feb 9th, 2014 at 11:37am
 
Ah I see.

Would you like to ask me if I also judge muslims for holding a stupid, ill-considered opinion? Why yes I do FD - thanks for asking.

I wouldn't demonize them and call them "little Hitler's" though - which I believe was the point I was making in that quote.
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