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Question: Should the Lord's Prayer be scrapped in Parliament?

Yes    
  13 (68.4%)
No    
  6 (31.6%)
not sure    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 19
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Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens (Read 20599 times)
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #135 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:45am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:45am:
Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:
They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.


you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later  .....

I never said that he would sell assets generally. It's more likely that he will bring more attention of Catholics onto poverty than has been the case in the past. It is within the teachings of Christianity.


so he's going to try and milk more money out of his parishoners, using the poor as his excuse? My comment was about the church accumulating over $700 Billion in assets, that amount could wipe out poverty world wide. All the church seems to do is accumulate wealth rather than tend to the poor.

Sure, they make a few token gesutres, send some priests out to some areas, but they send them out with nil or very little aid, no access to the church's money, and they then use that attempt to create a 'cause' to get people to donate more money. There are individuals in the church that care, and really do give their all, but the organisation as a whole, is just like every other organisation world wide ... they put Profits First.

I believe that Pope Francis may bring some change, if the hierarchy of the Catholic Church will permit it. As I said previously, we should wait and see what happens.

I do not expect the Church to divest itself of these assets any time soon, but I do expect that there will be some improvements to the relief of poverty driven by the Pope. Will they make a material difference? I do not know. But the Pope has made some remarks on poverty that go farther than any Pope I have seen.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #136 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am
 
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.

You are all FREE to practise whatever "god" you care about. Nobody else cares.

In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums. Shocked
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #137 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #138 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



I am NOT a christian.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #139 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:33pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



I am NOT a christian.

Ain't going to make any difference ..   ASHE'S TO ASHE'S  Grin
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THE DUMB LEFTIES ON THIS BOARD  DONT KNOW IF THERE WINDING THEIR ARSE OR SCRATCHING THEIR WATCH
 
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #140 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:34pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



I am NOT a christian.


you should join them, you'd fit right in .....
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #141 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:45am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 9:45am:
Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:43am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:58pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:12am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 10:08am:
They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.


you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.


you're kidding right? If he tried to sell the churchs assets on a grand scale, the others in the churchs heirarchy would make sure he met with an accident sooner rather than later  .....

I never said that he would sell assets generally. It's more likely that he will bring more attention of Catholics onto poverty than has been the case in the past. It is within the teachings of Christianity.


so he's going to try and milk more money out of his parishoners, using the poor as his excuse? My comment was about the church accumulating over $700 Billion in assets, that amount could wipe out poverty world wide. All the church seems to do is accumulate wealth rather than tend to the poor.

Sure, they make a few token gesutres, send some priests out to some areas, but they send them out with nil or very little aid, no access to the church's money, and they then use that attempt to create a 'cause' to get people to donate more money. There are individuals in the church that care, and really do give their all, but the organisation as a whole, is just like every other organisation world wide ... they put Profits First.

I believe that Pope Francis may bring some change, if the hierarchy of the Catholic Church will permit it. As I said previously, we should wait and see what happens.

I do not expect the Church to divest itself of these assets any time soon, but I do expect that there will be some improvements to the relief of poverty driven by the Pope. Will they make a material difference? I do not know. But the Pope has made some remarks on poverty that go farther than any Pope I have seen.


One can only hope, not that I'm holding my breath ...
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #142 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 1:21pm
 
The Greens can get stuffed.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #143 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 3:23pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:
Feral cats don't go around selecting their prey on the basis of whether they are introduced or not.


No. They go around killing whatever is most prevalent and abundant in the bush ~ which is introduced species.

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:53am:
Do you really think that feral cats can eat cane toads without harm and choose them over other prey?


If it wasn't for feral cats there would be outbreaks of mice plague in biblical proportions.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #144 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 3:26pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Nobody else cares.In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums



what good christian values ou have ........  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



I am NOT a christian.


Okay. I'll bite.

What ARE you ~ a High Priestess of Witches coven or wot?
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #145 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 5:19pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.

You are all FREE to practise whatever "god" you care about. Nobody else cares.

In the END you will ALL DIE and disappear off Forums. Shocked


It ain't.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #146 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:02pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.


Oh the irony. Demanding others "do some research", then posting absolute rubbish.

Religion is mentioned in the constitution all right. It is mentioned once:

Section 116:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html


Sounds to me as though the reading of the Lords Prayer (ie: a religious observance) violates the constitution, if there is currently a law or regulation requiring it to occur.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #147 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:12pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think.

No. It's not. It is unconstitutional for the Federal Parliament to make any law that imposes any religious observance. Section 116. Look it up. I've also posted it here.
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Reply #148 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:20pm
 
NBNMyths wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of The Constitution, I think.  It would need a Referendum to get rid of it. NOTHING you leftards can say will change The Constitution about RELIGION in Australia.


Oh the irony. Demanding others "do some research", then posting absolute rubbish.

Religion is mentioned in the constitution all right. It is mentioned once:

Section 116:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s116.html


Sounds to me as though the reading of the Lords Prayer (ie: a religious observance) violates the constitution, if there is currently a law or regulation requiring it to occur.


It is in the 'standing orders'.................and your point is right on the money.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #149 - Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:22pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 11:50am:
Do some research Green/George.

The Lords Prayer is recorded as part of
The Constitution, I think. 



Who on earth told you that?




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