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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #210 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

*flip...bugger ya!*

Talk about a short fuse! What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts! Grin

Your level of understand about the page flipping issue is matched only by the quality of your insistence that the Lord's Prayer is a Constitutional imperative.

Before hitting the post message key, hit the preview key and read and re-read what you have said to make certain you have not left any words out, or made idiotic spelling errors.

You are the person who had to hire a computer guru to show you how to make a SCREENSHOT. Dipstick. Grin

So don't tell me about my computer experience or knowledge. You are definitely the dickhead in that regard.

BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said. Any change to The Constitution requires a Referendum. Your argument is pure nitpicking. Typical of a cabbie.

This person argues like a denialist. Show them a mountain of evidence and they still insist that you have not produced any evidence. Waste of space.

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Reply #211 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:25pm

matty wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 2:17pm:

matty wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

matty wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

matty wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.

'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite

I am not perfect and don't claim to be.

and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?

No, that is not true.

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bullsh1t ... it's the same story all the time, the more religious they claim to be, the bigger the arsehole they tend to be

That is the exception, not the rule.

I know thousand of solid christians, that are arsheholes, whereas the nicest people I know are those that aren't very religious ... that makes it a rule, not the exception

And in response to your other comments, I know for a fact that a lot of chardonnay socialists who vote Labor and the Greens (especially the latter) do no charity work whatsoever

you don't even know how to get it up, let alone any facts

, and claim to be holier than thou.

Think Adam Band and Sarah hanson young, for example, both of whom are clearly from middle class backgrounds.

I don't think of them, never have .. the only time they cross my mind is when I read about them in your posts, which actually happens a lot ... you seem to be obsessed with them

1. So in other word, it's all about you and your experiences?
2. No, I am not like that at all.
3. I hardly ever mention them, actually. I am just making the point that people like this (ie middle-class and upper-class lefties) are complete and utter hypocrites.

of course I comment about me and my experiences ... only you would try to comment on someone else's experience and call it 'fact' ... after all, you did say you know for a fact ... how so?Did Pickering tell you?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #212 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:27pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

*flip...bugger ya!*

Talk about a short fuse! What a jerk!

Please NOTE the time of the 3 posts! Grin

Your level of understand about the page flipping issue is matched only by the quality of your insistence that the Lord's Prayer is a Constitutional imperative.

Before hitting the post message key, hit the preview key and read and re-read what you have said to make certain you have not left any words out, or made idiotic spelling errors.

You are the person who had to hire a computer guru to show you how to make a SCREENSHOT. Dipstick. Grin

So don't tell me about my computer experience or knowledge. You are definitely the dickhead in that regard.

BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said. Any change to The Constitution requires a Referendum. Your argument is pure nitpicking. Typical of a cabbie.

and your argument is pure fantasy ... typical of someone who's had their brain fried from sitting in a sunbed all the time Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #213 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:27pm

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This person argues like a denialist. Show them a mountain of evidence and they still insist that you have no produced any evidence. Waste of space.

That's not true. It is more of a ~ *look at me.....I'm clevah and a know all, even though, whenever I post I prove how phaarking stupid and ignorant I really am* ~ problem.

She posts on the premise that because she has.......by that very fact.................it is not only correct, but relevant to the discussion. In both cases, she is deluding herself. I'll leave it at that, except to add that I would really appreciate it if she stopped stalking me (with her insane, inane gibber) whenever I post.

Section 116, Neferti. Post your special version of it here (with a credible link) so we can all see where the "Lord's Prayer" is mentioned.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104551 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #214 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 10:25pm Religion teaches you how to act:
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104551 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #215 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:22am Ban all religion in schools & parliament.
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Reply #216 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:58am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:22am:

Ban all religion in schools & parliament.

bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]

But hey, lets ban all religions.

Because merit does not reside in religion.

Merit and virtue do not reside anywhere, especially not in the hearts of men!!!!

And men created religion, so all religion, should be destroyed.

Of course!!!

Instead of order, lets have more anarchy [human lawlessness] instead!!!! Shocked

I pity you, bobby.

I pity you, for your fate.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #217 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 1:22am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:22am:

Ban all religion in schools & parliament.

bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]

But hey, lets ban all religions.

Because merit does not reside in religion.

Merit and virtue do not reside anywhere, especially not in the hearts of men!!!!

And men created religion, so all religion, should be destroyed.

Of course!!!

Instead of order, lets have more anarchy [human lawlessness] instead!!!! Shocked

I pity you, bobby.

I pity you, for your fate.

You cannot say a persons philosophy of life is a religion in the same way Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc are religions. One is a personal view on the world, tudder is handed to you to believe or be forever tormented in hell by a supreme being. One people kill over, the other is a personal philosophy of how they should live. One is internal, the other external.

Why do you pity Bobby? You must also pity me but we don't need it, in fact we both(probably) pity you, you can't even decide right and wrong without being told, it would seem, why else subscribe to an external religion?

How often do we hear "so you can go and rape, murder and do anything you like because there is no-one to tell you how to behave" from the religious? You have no moral compass.." Well some people don't need to be told what is right and those that need the threat of damnation to behave are by default hideous people that cannot function ethically without that threat..

No wonder most conservatives seem to be religious. I suppose we should be thankful you do have that religion to moderate your hateful minds, so in that sense I suppose some people do need it. It's a bit sad though and that's why I have pity for you.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #218 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 7:21am Funny how quick you are to defend religious freedom when there isn't a Koran in sight Yadda
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #219 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:41am

Yadda wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:22am:

Ban all religion in schools & parliament.

bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]

But hey, lets ban all religions.

Because merit does not reside in religion.

Merit and virtue do not reside anywhere, especially not in the hearts of men!!!!

And men created religion, so all religion, should be destroyed.

Of course!!!

Instead of order, lets have more anarchy [human lawlessness] instead!!!! Shocked

I pity you, bobby.

I pity you, for your fate.

What fate - to live as a free man with my own thoughts?

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Reply #220 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 10:28am

Setanta wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 1:22am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:22am:

Ban all religion in schools & parliament.

bobby,

Whether or not religion is formalised, we human beings are all 'religious' creatures.

What i mean, is that YOUR religion, is the way that you conduct your life.

And that is true, of each and every one of us, imo.
[....even of atheists.]

You cannot say a persons philosophy of life is a religion in the same way Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc are religions. One is a personal view on the world, tudder is handed to you to believe or be forever tormented in hell by a supreme being. One people kill over, the other is a personal philosophy of how they should live. One is internal, the other external.

Why do you pity Bobby? You must also pity me but we don't need it, in fact we both(probably) pity you, you can't even decide right and wrong without being told, it would seem, why else subscribe to an external religion?

How often do we hear "so you can go and rape, murder and do anything you like because there is no-one to tell you how to behave" from the religious? You have no moral compass.." Well some people don't need to be told what is right and those that need the threat of damnation to behave are by default hideous people that cannot function ethically without that threat..

No wonder most conservatives seem to be religious. I suppose we should be thankful you do have that religion to moderate your hateful minds, so in that sense I suppose some people do need it. It's a bit sad though and that's why I have pity for you.

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you can't even decide right and wrong without being told, it would seem, why else subscribe to an external religion?

....some people don't need to be told what is right and those that need the threat of damnation to behave are by default hideous people that cannot function ethically without that threat..

Setanta,

Your suggestion is, that we teach our children that they can choose for themselves what is right and wrong ? Shocked

Well, that is fine.

So long as SOMEONE will be responsible for the real world consequences of their choices.

Are you volunteering, for that burden ???

Moving on....
And perhaps you suggesting that 1/ growing up in our society or, 2/ 'an education', can instil a moral compass inside us and our children ?

Well, i think that it is very evident that [young] men and women are NOT being taught self restraint, by our society.
[self restraint, being the basis of an ability to live in peace with others, imo]

The evidence of 'our' common behaviour in our society ['today'], is that we have been teaching our children
1/ how to practice lawlessness, and
2/ how to shirk all responsibility for the consequences of their own poor choices.

And imo, that is a 'recipe' for [societal] disaster.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0
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What happens to many 'normal' people when they think that they are free from any restraint or authority?
Look at the common behaviour and conduct of many people in society, especially young people out at night, looking for a 'good time'.

I'm sure that you have seen some of the results on the evening TV news, the one punch fatalities, the random sexual assaults, the broken and slashed faces.

Q.
And i ask, why is it, that it isn't it safe to walk our suburban or city streets at night?

A.
Because there are too many 'normal' people, walking those streets at night. Cheesy

Why do some [many?] of us believe that it is normal, to behave in a riotous [violent] way?

Why when we remove the light of day, and the restraining / calming influence of society / authority do many ppl behave in this way?

Why?

The TRUTH is that for many of us, human 'civility' is paper thin.

Why so?

Because many of us 'normal' people, demonstrate [when unrestrained] that we are 'normal' human beings who are vain, selfish, lecherous, greedy, violent creatures, when we are without restraint.
And, we demonstrate that we have no moral compass.

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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

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Regarding the Lord's Prayer being used at the opening of our Parliament;

Personal prayer [and reading the bible], invokes [i.e. invites!] the spirit of God within us.

And that is a good thing.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #221 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 10:33am

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Regarding the Lord's Prayer being used at the opening of our Parliament;

Personal prayer [and reading the bible], invokes [i.e. invites!] the spirit of God within us.

And that is a good thing.

Why don't they read this bit of the Bible?

Like Deut 13 13

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13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

The Bible is cherry picked for nice verses.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21759 A cat with a view	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #222 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 10:34am bobby, Yes, i know. Too long. I'm still working on that one liner, for you.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137352 Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #223 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 10:37am Neferti wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 5:40pm: BTW The Lords Prayer is listed in The Constitution (s 116) as I said. Not in the Australian Constitution, it isn't.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #224 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 10:39am Bobby. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 10:33am: Why don't they read this bit of the Bible? Should just start with the 10 commandments. Then hopefully all the Christians will realise they are all bearing false witness and stop lying. Or you know, continue to be massive hypocrites, either way.
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Question: Should the Lord's Prayer be scrapped in Parliament?
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