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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #285 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #289 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:29pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:27pm: flip SOB flip, flip, flip, flop, flop, flop. Is this a new thing around here? (impatience?)
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #290 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?

Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??

No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or during breaks … or silently.

So are workplaces without the lord's prayer disenfrachising anyone?

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #291 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB

And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #292 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

I must be blind.

It is referred to in the Preamble. So, yes, to take this bit out of the Preamble would require the usual procedure of changing The Constitution.

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The Preamble to the Australian Constitution

affirms

that the Federation was brought into being by an act "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God." There it is, stated in print, in our Constitution. It would of course be interesting to know more about how the Preamble was composed and what those writing it actually thought about this phrase that, in a most important way, qualifies the act of founding the Commonwealth of Australia. But by even stating this much, we have potentially embarrassed those who have called for the abolition of the Lord's Prayer. Why? Because whether the writers of the Constitution meant it or not, the phrase actually implies that prayer to the Almighty is an implicit facet of Australia's political life, and is thus assumed to be a normal part of our system of government. To say it again: "humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God" is itself a prayer.

Preamble Herei

B*U*M*P*

For Aussie's benefit

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #293 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:32pm

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?

Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??

No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.

Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #294 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB

And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.

But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #295 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?

Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??

No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.

Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.

It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #296 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB

And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.

But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB

Are they?? Are you sure about that??

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #297 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

[quote http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifauthor=bobbythebat1 link=1389728965/8#8 date=1389733548]It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?

Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??

No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.

Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.

It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery. [/quote]

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #298 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

[quote http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifauthor=bobbythebat1 link=1389728965/8#8 date=1389733548]It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?

Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??

No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.

Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.

It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed. [/quote]

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You haven't explained your previous opinion :

Quote:

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious

How is people privately praying disenfranchising religious people.

Is your god hard of hearing?

And if religious people are disenfranchised then why no push to make praying manditory in all Australian work places?

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #299 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:37pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:48am:

It's traditional. There are many anachronistic traditions in the parliament.

It's just a throw back to the very beginings of the English parliamentary democracy that we mirror.

Do they want the indigenous folk to also give up their 'dream time'?

Go suck on a sauce bottle Greens. Angry

Any religion should have no association with governing. Governing needs to be based around fact and wise decision making based on what is best for society, not what some silly fictional book tells us.

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