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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #300 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:45pm ____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm: People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours. If people want to pray during work, join a monastery. You want Muslims to join a monastery and pray after work!!! I’d get a thick leather collar of I were you…..
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Reply #301 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:46pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

It does no such thing. If they want to pray, paint themselves with ochre, sacrifice goats, rip out the still-beating hearts of their enslaved enemies, or whatever it is that they wish to do, they can still do so, just not on the floor of Parliament. (It's too difficult getting the blood out of the carpets.)

Also, they still get to vote whether they may pray or not, so this "disenfranchise" argument is crap.

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Reply #302 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:51pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

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And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.

But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB

Are they?? Are you sure about that??

Yup. Even gillard had to stand. Its stupid. You can say officially they dont have to but they do have to.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #303 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:51pm Ban it all, praying, bible bashing of any kind in fact. There is no god, and if anyone needed further proof of that, the fact that politicians can pray in parliament, and not be struck by lightning, should be enough to convince anyone.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #304 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?

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Reply #305 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:53pm

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

[quote http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/resize_wb.gifauthor=bobbythebat1 link=1389728965/8#8 date=1389733548]It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

Any workplace in the country that doesn't start a shift with the lord's prayer is disenfranchising religious workers?

Any workplace that bans religious believers who work there from praying certainly is.

How would that be considered if Muslim workers weren't allowed to pray at work??

No ban on praying in parliament is being put forward … just do it before work or silently.

Yes, that IS exactly what is being put forward.

It is not
People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

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You haven't explained your previous opinion :

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And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious

How is people privately praying disenfranchising religious people.

Is your god hard of hearing?

And if religious people are disenfranchised then why no push to make praying manditory in all Australian work places?

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1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

2) I don't have a god, so the auditory acuity of mythological constructs isn't relevant.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #306 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:54pm

Bam wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?

Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in??

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #307 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:51pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

It's a good Greens idea -

get rid of ridiculous religious nonsense.

And why is it ok to disenfranchise those Australians, and Australian politicians who ARE religious??

What is being proposed is getting rid of the silly religious rituals not the religious ppl.

SOB

And you don't see that it would upset the religious people far more than sitting in parliament, going over paper work while the religiously inclined pray, would upset most atheists or agnostics???

95% of atheists/agnostics don't care if someone else prays, as long as they're not expected to join in.

But they are expected to join in or @ least stand. Also its offensive since church and government are supposed to be separate.

SOB

Are they?? Are you sure about that??

Yup. Even gillard had to stand. Its stupid. You can say officially they dont have to but they do have to.

SOB

Had to, or chose to?
I'm pretty sure there are non-christian members of parliament, have any (like Adam Bandt) been ejected for not standing?

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #308 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:58pm mozzaok wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:51pm: Ban it all, praying, bible bashing of any kind in fact. Probably a little extreme. Banning religion is as bad as requiring it. Everyone has the right to freedom of religion as well as the right to freedom from religion.
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Reply #309 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?

Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in??

Answer my questions please.

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Reply #310 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:

1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then?

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TheGreenLight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #311 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:24pm Is this all the Greens have to worry about? They've become such a petty, whining little party. Shame really. No wonder they lost so much of their vote last election, myself included.
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Reply #312 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:25pm

Bam wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:

1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then?

Well then you do something about it. Till then don't get your nicker's in a knot . Wink

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Reply #313 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:42pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:53pm:

1) It's not about 'privately praying' It's about changing the way Parliament is opened, based on the objections of a single person (or small group)

It's more than "the objections of a single person (or small group)". It may be unconstitutional. If it goes to the High Court and is struck out for being in violation of Section 116 of the Constitution, what then?

Well then you do something about it. Till then don't get your nicker's in a knot . Wink

The only ones getting their knickers in a knot are the religious nutters who are aghast at their particular ritual being removed from somewhere where it should never have been allowed in the first place.

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Reply #314 - Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 2:43pm

Bam wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

People can still pray, just do it silently or outside work hours.
If people want to pray during work, join a monastery.

And if 75% or 80% of Members of the House want to start the session with the prayer???

The Greens are once again trying to push their version of morality on to everyone....oh and btw, getting rid of the lord's prayer in Parliament won't get rid of the religious objections to same-sex marriage, it'll probably have the exact opposite effect and make it harder to get the Marriage Act changed.

Hold on a moment. Why is it OK for the religious from one particular religion to push their prayers onto everyone, but not OK for this to be abolished? Isn't that hypocritical?

Can you show us where it's compulsory for everyone in the Chamber to join in??

Answer my questions please.

Ok, 'the religious from one religion' aren't pushing their prayers onto anyone.
Christianity is not forcing people to pray ( and it's a term for a group of religions, not just one).
BUT one person or possible several anti-religious people from the Greens are trying to push their beliefs onto the Australian Parliament, probably against the wishes of the actual Members of that Parliament. ( I say probably, because if praying at the opening was against the wishes of, or offensive to the sitting members, THEY, themselves, would have already voted to stop it).

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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