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Question: Should the Lord's Prayer be scrapped in Parliament?

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Reply #45 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am
 
woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren Wink Wink


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Reply #46 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am
 
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:
woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren Wink Wink


Amen to that.

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Daily Proceedings



Each of the three events in the Daily Proceedings—Prayers, Statements by Members and Oral Questions—is covered separately in the Standing Orders.

*   Prayers

Prior to the doors of the Chamber being opened to the public at the beginning of each sitting of the House, the Speaker takes the Chair and proceeds to read the prayer, after it has been determined that a quorum of 20 Members including the Chair Occupant is present, and before any business is considered.[4] While the prayer is being read, the Speaker, the Members and the Table Officers all stand. The prayer is by custom read partly in French and partly in English. When the prayer is finished, the House pauses for a moment of silence for private thought and reflection. At the end of the moment of silence, the Speaker orders the doors opened. At this point, television coverage of the proceedings commences and the public may enter the galleries.[5]

Historical Perspective

Although the practice of reading a prayer at the start of each sitting was not codified in the Standing Orders until 1927,[6] it has been part of the daily proceedings of the House since 1877. At that time, the House charged a committee to consider the desirability of using a form of prayer in the Chamber.[7] In its report, the committee recommended that the proceedings of the House should be opened each day with the reading of a prayer, and included therein a suggested form of prayer.[8] In a discussion that immediately followed the concurrence in the committee report, it was determined that the prayer would be read prior to the doors of the House being opened, as was the practice of the Senate of Canada and the British House of Commons.[9]

Much later, suggestions were made to rewrite or reword the prayer in a non‑sectarian form and to have the prayer read by a chaplain instead of the Speaker.[10] Recommendations have also been made to change the way the House takes up the prayer. Over the years, many Members have expressed the view that the public should be admitted before the prayer is read.[11] In 1976, the House adopted a motion recommending that the Standing Orders be changed in order to allow the public to enter the galleries before the prayer was read. However, the motion was worded as a recommendation, not as an Order, and provided no instruction for implementing the change. For that reason, the Speaker indicated that the practice of reciting the prayer prior to the admission of the public would continue until the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization considered the matter and reported to the House; however, no further action was taken on this matter.[12] There have been, nonetheless, rare instances when the public has heard the prayer.[13]

Until 1994, no major change to the form of the prayer[14] was made aside from references to royalty.[15] At that time, the House concurred in a report recommending a new form of prayer more reflective of the different religions embraced by Canadians.[16] This prayer was read for the first time when the House met to open its proceedings on February 21, 1994:[17]

Almighty God, we give thanks for the great blessings which have been bestowed on Canada and its citizens, including the gifts of freedom, opportunity and peace that we enjoy. We pray for our Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth, and the Governor General. Guide us in our deliberations as Members of Parliament, and strengthen us in our awareness of our duties and responsibilities as Members. Grant us wisdom, knowledge, and understanding to preserve the blessings of this country for the benefit of all and to make good laws and wise decisions. Amen.

There has been no explicit pronouncement on when French and English are to be used in reading the prayer. When the reading of the prayer was first sanctioned in 1877, it was agreed that the prayer would be read in the language most familiar to the Speaker.[18] Two years later, Speaker Blanchet, the Commons’ first bilingual Speaker, inaugurated the practice of reading the prayer in French and English on alternate days.[19] From then until the 1970s, many Speakers, depending on

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #47 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am
 
It's not going to happen with just the one lonely solitary Green in the House though is it?  Grin

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Reply #48 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:24am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.



have you ever taken the time to figure out what it's actually saying Matty?  Grin Grin


Of course I know what it is saying, and I have already said that I am not perfect.
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Reply #49 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am
 
There's a big difference between not being perfect and contradicting your own belief system three times in a single sentence.
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #50 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am
 
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #51 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:34am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:26am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.


Apparently according to you his will involves swearing encouraging suicide and eternal damnation.  Can't even go two posts without contradicting himself Mr speaker!


No it won't. Just a little angry overreaction to the inner-city trendy lefty know-all self-righteous hypocrites again wanting to undermine the christian values on which this country was founded.
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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #52 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:35am
 
____ wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 5:49am:
The Lord's Prayer in Federal Parliament is an anachronism, according to Greens senator Richard di Natale, who is calling to have the prayer scrapped.

The acting Greens leader announced on Tuesday that when Parliament returns in February, he will move to end the reading of prayers at the start of each sitting day.

He will ask the Senate's Procedure Committee to amend the standing orders and look to his Greens colleague Adam Bandt to do the same in the Lower House.


"We have a very clear separation between church and state in this country and the fact that we say the Lord's Prayer in the Australian Parliament, it is an anachronism," he told reporters in Canberra.

Senator di Natale said that "modern" Australia was made up of people who had different ideas about religion.

"We are here to represent everybody. We're here to represent people of all faiths. People who don't have a strong religious faith," he said.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/time-to-scrap-lords-prayer...



Good idea.

There's absolutely no legitimate reason for any (sane) person to object to this proposal.

It'll happen.
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Reply #53 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36am
 
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:34am:
Stratos wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:26am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespassers,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and let us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Amen.


Apparently according to you his will involves swearing encouraging suicide and eternal damnation.  Can't even go two posts without contradicting himself Mr speaker!


No it won't. Just a little angry overreaction to the inner-city trendy lefty know-all self-righteous hypocrites again wanting to undermine the christian values on which this country was founded.


Values like encouraging suicide? Can I pass you a shovel Matty?
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #54 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:36am
 
woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:31am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:
woody2014 wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:18am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 6:53am:
here we go again.
the "compassionate ' greens who do nothing but cry crocodile tears for the poor , sticking the boot into the "christians" who are out running all the soup kitchens, charities, homeless shelters etc etc.

breath taking hypocrisy and so much bad karma for our green brethren Wink Wink


Amen to that.

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Daily Proceedings



Each of the three events in the Daily Proceedings—Prayers, Statements by Members and Oral Questions—is covered separately in the Standing Orders.

*   Prayers

Prior to the doors of the Chamber being opened to the public at the beginning of each sitting of the House, the Speaker takes the Chair and proceeds to read the prayer, after it has been determined that a quorum of 20 Members including the Chair Occupant is present, and before any business is considered.[4] While the prayer is being read, the Speaker, the Members and the Table Officers all stand. The prayer is by custom read partly in French and partly in English. When the prayer is finished, the House pauses for a moment of silence for private thought and reflection. At the end of the moment of silence, the Speaker orders the doors opened. At this point, television coverage of the proceedings commences and the public may enter the galleries.[5]

Historical Perspective

Although the practice of reading a prayer at the start of each sitting was not codified in the Standing Orders until 1927,[6] it has been part of the daily proceedings of the House since 1877. At that time, the House charged a committee to consider the desirability of using a form of prayer in the Chamber.[7] In its report, the committee recommended that the proceedings of the House should be opened each day with the reading of a prayer, and included therein a suggested form of prayer.[8] In a discussion that immediately followed the concurrence in the committee report, it was determined that the prayer would be read prior to the doors of the House being opened, as was the practice of the Senate of Canada and the British House of Commons.[9]

Much later, suggestions were made to rewrite or reword the prayer in a non‑sectarian form and to have the prayer read by a chaplain instead of the Speaker.[10] Recommendations have also been made to change the way the House takes up the prayer. Over the years, many Members have expressed the view that the public should be admitted before the prayer is read.[11] In 1976, the House adopted a motion recommending that the Standing Orders be changed in order to allow the public to enter the galleries before the prayer was read. However, the motion was worded as a recommendation, not as an Order, and provided no instruction for implementing the change. For that reason, the Speaker indicated that the practice of reciting the prayer prior to the admission of the public would continue until the Standing Committee on Procedure and Organization considered the matter and reported to the House; however, no further action was taken on this matter.[12] There have been, nonetheless, rare instances when the public has heard the prayer.[13]

Until 1994, no major change to the form of the prayer[14] was made aside from references to royalty.[15] At that time, the House concurred in a report recommending a new form of prayer more reflective of the different religions embraced by Canadians.[16] This prayer was read for the first time when the House met to open its proceedings on February 21, 1994:[17]

Almighty God, we give thanks for the great blessings which have been bestowed on Canada and its citizens, including the gifts of freedom, opportunity and peace that we enjoy. We pray for our Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth, and the Governor General. Guide us in our deliberations as Members of Parliament, and strengthen us in our awareness of our duties and responsibilities as Members. Grant us wisdom, knowledge, and understanding to preserve the blessings of this country for the benefit of all and to make good laws and wise decisions. Amen.

There has been no explicit pronouncement on when French and English are to be used in reading the prayer. When the reading of the prayer was first sanctioned in 1877, it was agreed that the prayer would be read in the language most familiar to the Speaker.[18] Two years later, Speaker Blanchet, the Commons’ first bilingual Speaker, inaugurated the practice of reading the prayer in French and English on alternate days.[19] From then until the 1970s, many Speakers, depending on





Oh okay, thanks.

The Greens don't seem to understand that they are just not popular with the electorate at large, they seem to think that they are more popular than they actually are. They rceived just 8% of the vote.
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Reply #55 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:37am
 
Also Grin at you calling people hypocrites
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Reply #56 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am
 
skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. Grin Grin Grin Grin


The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters.
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Reply #57 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:39am
 
Get over it, it was an overreaction as stated. God is the only perfect one. God is love. God is love, He is always there for us and always will be.
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Reply #58 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:40am
 
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:38am:
skippy. wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:33am:
LOL the same old loony fringe defending this fairy tale known as Christianity, too funny. Grin Grin Grin Grin


The only loony fringe here are the Greens and their 8% of supporters.

See what I mean? They  never let me down. Grin Grin Cheesy
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Reply #59 - Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:41am
 
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:28am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:21am:
matty wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 9:13am:
and they can rot in hell as far as I am concerned.


'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

'judge thee not lest thee be judged'

sound familiar Matty ... or are you only a good Christian when it suits you???
Hypocrite


I am not perfect and don't claim to be.


and you think that excuses your rank hypocrisy? Go to church on Sunday, say a prayer and you are excused for being a d1ck Mon to Sat?? only to do it all over again week after week?
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