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Reply #90 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

Just goes to show how idiotic Greens are...

The Lord's Prayer is a fairly generic prayer, it does not identify any particular deity and even Muslims who venerate Jesus as a holy man and not the Son of God, would accept it. (After all it is an Abrahamic religion and they share the "same" God) I can't think of any religion that would particularly have a problem with it.

So what is this moron Green on about?
We are nominally a Christian country and governed by laws which for a large part take their basis from that religion and moral code.
Perhaps The Greens just hate religions?
Perhaps their members and representative are just thick.
As was taught to me...
Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.

nothing offensive in that... Roll Eyes

BTW Bam, trespassers and trespasses don't sound the same. There is a slight difference even in Australian English.

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Reply #91 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 1:55pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

the list is endless.. but it there to take our eye s off their complete no idea policies...they dont want anyone to take a real good look at those..

lets not forget they THINK they know whats good for EVERYONE.

they believe they ALONE can CURE CLIMATE CHANGE

they think anyone AGAINST ABORTION is a SICKO.

they love PEOPLE SMUGGLERS..

aint afraid of watching PEOPLE DROWN.

want 16 year olds to HAVE THE VOTE.

I am surprised he hasnt called for everyone to pray to MECCA 5 times a day.. we know how the crawl to anyone that can vote dont we????

what amazes me. is how many greenies are there everyday when Parliament opens.. Roll Eyes

personally I dont think it would do any harm to put it back in our schools.. we can see the deterioration in behaviour since the greens came on the scene...encouraging young people to smash and bash their way through life...and chain themselves to coal loaders get their own way...

a terrific way to teach people a responsible way to get through life.. Angry

While not a huge fan of the greens, presenting a post comprised almost entirely of strawman points is hardly an effective argument...

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they believe they ALONE can CURE CLIMATE CHANGE

Actually, I think you'll find they say that it's everyone's responsibility.

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they think anyone AGAINST ABORTION is a SICKO.

I think you'll find they think it should be a personal choice, and not up to the Government..... I thought you conservatives were opposed to the Govt interfering in your personal affairs?

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they love PEOPLE SMUGGLERS..

Feeling compassion for refugees is not the same as loving people smugglers, any more than supporting soldiers means you love war.

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aint afraid of watching PEOPLE DROWN.

Pretty sure you're just making that one up....

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I am surprised he hasnt called for everyone to pray to MECCA 5 times a day.. we know how the crawl to anyone that can vote dont we????

If "crawling to anyone that can vote" is the objective, then surely it makes more sense to pander to the ~55% of Australians who identify as being Christian, rather than the 2.5% who are muslim?

Could it be that they just expect there to be no connection between religion and state, as it should be? Why, in a country where religion is constantly declining, should one particular religion be represented by a prayer? What level does Christianity have to decline to before the prayer should go?

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want 16 year olds to HAVE THE VOTE.

This is the sole point you actually got right. Congratulations.
I'm skeptical as to whether it would be a good idea, but their argument that "16year-olds can leave home, work full-time (and so pay tax), so why can't they vote" is a decent one.

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Reply #92 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:05pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS

Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.

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Reply #93 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

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at you calling people hypocrites

i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?

I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

Marriage predates the Church. It's not an exclusively religious process.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104670 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #94 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:35pm But why continue with this religious archaeology when we all know it's bullshit?
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Reply #95 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

But why continue with this religious archaeology when we all know it's bullshit?

because it appeals to peoples sense of greed in wanting to be rewarded after they die with an eternal after life in paradise. It's the ultimate grand prize but unfortunately there are no shortage of scammers willing to offer tickets for a nominal weekly fee down at your local church parish with no money backed guarantee of course Wink

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Reply #96 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:44pm

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS

Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.

WE never burnt people at the stake here

WE never cut of peoples hand here

MY GGG Grand mother went to school in AUSTRALIA

So you know DIDDLY SQUAT Grin

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #97 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:44pm

It does seem rather anachronistic that they still say the Lord's Prayer. It's the 21st Century and those who govern us are praying to a sky spook for protection and guidance.

At least they could be a bit more imaginative and productive about it and pray for an end to the boat arrivals, lower unemployment, nice temperate weather, free petrol, a bit of enemy smiting etc

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Num num num num.

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Reply #98 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:46pm

Nail,
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because it appeals to peoples sense of greed in wanting to be rewarded after they die with an eternal after life in paradise. It's the ultimate grand prize but unfortunately there are no shortage of scammers willing to offer tickets for a nominal weekly fee down at your local church parish.

True Nail,
You'd think in this day & age that we could leave primitive
bronze age mythology out of politics?

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Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Reply #99 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:50pm

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

NBNMyths wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:18am:

WHY DO JOHHNY COME LATELY'S ALWAY'S WANT TO bugger WITH THINGS

Without it, we'd still be burning non-believers at the stake and chopping off people's hands for stealing a loaf of bread. Divorce would be illegal, as would the education of women.

It's called progress, and its highly likely you were part of the process. The 'things' you're happy with now were probably considered radical 100 years ago.

WE never burnt people at the stake here

WE never cut of peoples hand here

MY GGG Grand mother went to school in AUSTRALIA

So you know DIDDLY SQUAT Grin

When my mother went to school, the Australian flag they flew there had a red background, not blue.

When I was at school, God Save The Queen was the national anthem.

Change... it happens....

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Reply #100 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 3:33pm

Pinched this from the Sunshine Coast Daily website. I liked it.

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Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles.
Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan.
Give us this day, our garlic bread, …and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns.
And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever.
RAmen.

And......yeas.....I'd bugger the Lord's Prayer off and out of Parliament. It is just mumbled voodoo of no value.

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Reply #101 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 6:31pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

matty wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

woody2014 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Stratos wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

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at you calling people hypocrites

i had a chuckle at that one too .... unbelievable isn't it?

I wonder how many of you did not marry in a church??

I have been married fifteen years and it was not in a church. Im not a hypocrite.

I didn't say you were a hypocrite Wink

you implied that those that are for removing the prayer from parliament are hypocrites .... kind of backfired on you didn't it Grin

They are hypocrites though. They bleat on about caring for the poor and do nothing, they think that voting for the Greens is good enough, whilst the rally compassionate people actually get out there and do charity work for the less fortunate.

how would you know what they do for the poor? The pope bleats about caring for the poor, yet has over $700B in assets just sitting their growing in value .. you said something about hypocrisy?

The current Pope has been in the role for less than a year and the Catholic church is not known for moving quickly to address issues. I would give him more time.

you could give him 20 lifetimes, nothing will change.

When he was Archbishop, he sold the Archbishop's extravagant residence and lived in simpler accommodation. He does his own cooking. He has spoken out on poverty issues more than once.

You may be right. Perhaps nothing will change. We should wait and see whether there is change.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #102 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:19pm So you don't think the Greens dislike the Church and fundamentally oppose it and it's involvement in society at every turn? That plays no role in their - yet again - opposition to a Christian message. The Greens hate the Church. That much is clear.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #103 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm I agree with the greens on this, I bet part of the motivation is retaliation for the anti gay stance by some so called Christians. -
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58506 Here Gender:	Re: Scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens Reply #104 - Jan 15^th, 2014 at 8:00pm Don't really care much but I would say keep the prayer it does no harm and the grubs in that place need all the help they can get.
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Question: Should the Lord's Prayer be scrapped in Parliament?
Yes 13 (68.4%) No 6 (31.6%) not sure 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Jan 18^th, 2014 at 3:56pm »