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Reply #15 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:57am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:11am:

My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers!

Great story Ol'timer. And tell us again about the time when you and Caruthers were set upon by a band of darkies in the jungles of Biyerma. Oh, they were the days say what.

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Reply #16 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:59am

It was olde.sault who mentioned freeloaders.

Sorry, if you live in a million dollar home you don’t need the pension—middleclass welfare might have been introduced by our second worst PM, Little Johnny, but it is neither right nor sustainable. Anyway, if you live in a million dollar home you have super—if you have put your super into non–income producing investments then you do not deserve loafing off welfare in retirement.

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Reply #17 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:11am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:11am:

My first job, when I lived in Newcastle, was in Sydney - Wahroonga, to be precise. Two trains and a long walk, it took me 3 hours to get to work each day to the traineeship. It's time some of today's kids (and adults) toughened up and stopped leeching off hardworking taxpayers!

Great story Ol'timer. And tell us again about the time when you and Caruthers were set upon by a band of darkies in the jungles of Biyerma. Oh, they were the days say what.

.... and because he couldn't afford shoes, he walked thru and fresh cow poo to warm his feet.

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Reply #18 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:24am

If anyone thinks that the welfare system doesn't need serious overhaul they are brain dead. just as the title of this thread is brain dead.

Middle class welfare is a myth. It's just shuffling deck chairs. FACT. The Govt collects income tax and gives you some of it back as a rebate. The net result is ZERO. It's smoke and mirrors stuff.

Australia has a declining tax payer base and a compounding welfare and universal health care bill due mainly to the aging of the population.

Medicare tax has not changed, marginal tax rates have not changed (up), the rate of the GST has not changed so it's no friggin wonder things are going backwards.

Labor prefers to borrow instead of increasing taxes and the Coalition won't do either preferring to cut to pay for Labor's borrowings.

The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board.

If taxes across the board are increased the impact is not as great on the individual. The effect on consumption and business is another matter.

Yes getting rid of the mythical 'middleclass welfare' (is in effect just a marginal tax increase). Increase company tax and increase the GST.

The GST is regressive and yes low income earners cop more of the impact BUT they also get more of the benefit from tax revenues which is arguably better for them.

The biggest problem would be the impact on the macroeconomy that a drop in take home pay across the board would do.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Cons Attacking Welfare Reply #19 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:26am I hope they do a proper study on welfare... I'm sure they will find that Newstart needs to be increased and that unemployment is higher than they think and there is more to being out of work than being lazy. If there's a public feedback option on this I have quite a few home truths to tell them.
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Reply #20 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:28am

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:59am:

It was olde.sault who mentioned freeloaders.

Sorry, if you live in a million dollar home you don’t need the pension—middleclass welfare might have been introduced by our second worst PM, Little Johnny, but it is neither right nor sustainable. Anyway, if you live in a million dollar home you have super—if you have put your super into non–income producing investments then you do not deserve loafing off welfare in retirement.

Again your mentality has hit rock bottom, why would anyone choose to live on the pension when they can live a better life on their super? You idiot!

Compulsory super was introduced in 1992! how much super do think todays retirees have you idiot!

For most retirees their super is their family home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go and bugger*k your self you dick head!

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Abbott's Cons Attacking Welfare Reply #21 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:31am Swagman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:24am: The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board. Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified. Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax
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Reply #22 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:42am

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 7:59am:

It was olde.sault who mentioned freeloaders.

Sorry, if you live in a million dollar home you don’t need the pension—middleclass welfare might have been introduced by our second worst PM, Little Johnny, but it is neither right nor sustainable. Anyway, if you live in a million dollar home you have super—if you have put your super into non–income producing investments then you do not deserve loafing off welfare in retirement.

I see you ignored what i said. You just dont want to know or what? There is an ASSETS TEST for the pension in australia. IMO there shouldn't be though if a person worked all their lives then they have paid into it.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26508 Australia	Re: Abbott's Cons Attacking Welfare Reply #23 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:44am Middle class welfare is not a myth. It is andrei paying no tax @ all and its mothers who earn 250k a year getting baby bonus etc . . . . SOB
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Reply #24 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:48am

Stratos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:31am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:24am:

The no-brainer is to increase taxes across the board.

Pretty sure if the Liberals did this they would be crucified. Well anyone, but particularly a party where one of their policies is low tax

Johnny H had the highest taxing govt in our history and the people didn't blink, in fact some think he's the bees knees.

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Reply #25 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:51am

Setanta wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:48am:

Johnny H had the highest taxing govt in our history and the people didn't blink, in fact some think he's the bees knees.

All about appearances. With 24 hour media scrutiny and social media, any rise in taxes will be instantly found and shouted from the rooftops.

Then again, I'm guessing only die hard Lib/Nat supporters are the ones who will be surprised at them breaking another election promise.

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Reply #26 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:03am

Grendel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 8:26am:

I hope they do a proper study on welfare...

They have. There was a Senate enquiry into it last year, which was promptly ignored by both sides of government. This despite a record number of submissions (mine among them) and only two or three opposing a No-Start raise.

I'm sure they will find that Newstart needs to be increased

The enquiry decided that the $50/week increase was just, valid, and long-overdue, and should be raised. This was ignored.

and that unemployment is higher than they think

Again, yes, they did find that.

and there is more to being out of work than being lazy.

Which everyone but the most ignorant would accept, rather than attempt to deny.

If there's a public feedback option on this I have quite a few home truths to tell them.

That's why I sent a submission to the Senate enquiry. No other ba$tard even wants to hear about the issue. One has only to look at the continued abuse I've copped on here from conservatives who label me a bludger and a no-hoper, simply for supporting a fair go for the unemployed.

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Reply #27 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 9:29am

It's only going to get worse......

CSG is on shaky ground.

We did say the boom would end, didn't we?

Yesterday these were the jobs we were going to use to lure migrants to regional areas....today they're gone.

Fallout from CSG slump set to claim up to 400 Arrow Energy jobs

Embattled local CSG group Arrow Energy has confirmed that the axe is poised to fall on hundreds of workers at the Brisbane-based group as the company's major partners decide to pull out of their $10 billion Gladstone LNG project.

An Arrow spokesman today confirmed reports in The Courier Mail that about 400 staff out of a total of 1200 would go as the company wound back its Gladstone ambitions.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/fallout-from-csg-slump-set-to-claim-up-to...

reader comments:

Michael
Maybe if people paid more attention to media outlets that aren't bought by the employers or government then you'd all know the truth. There are hundreds of jobs a week disappearing into the abyss and yet everyone believes the politicians when they say "its all ok".... Start looking outside the box and you'll see the real world. This is not the first lot of jobs, and it won't be the last.

Elizabeth
Well then it's time for governments to stop promising to lift employment. .because the only way to do that is through the public service and we know how Newman feels about that.

Shona
Oh wow. A disaster. How many lives, families, dreams are ruined by this? On a related note, has Premier Newman ever had a worse week as Premier than this last one? He's been the King Midas of Poo, everything he has touched has turned to , well, yukky stuff. His announcement on violence in the valley was roundly ridiculed, his immigrant plans were shown up as fatuous and unthought-out and his plea for an image do-over in the CM was seen as pathetic and desperate - prompting another hail of call for him to quit in favour of the Golden Child, Scott Emerson, and now his economic credentials are in tatters, Rotten week for the Prem. Can he bounce back?

...and one for the house flippers

Rowan
If you were suckered into buying an investment property in Gladstone, my condolences. Three years ago you couldn't rent a home in Gladstone. Today there's over 800 houses sitting empty and every likelihood that this number will easily pass 1000 before the clean out is finished.

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #29 - Jan 21^st, 2014 at 10:21am

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St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 6:45am:

]Doesn’t seem to be anything there about kicking asset millionaires off the old age pension![/highlight]

The shambles is made up of idiots!

And wont because your bogas statement is false. The old age pension is asset tested, you can be property asset rich and the value of the properties does not affect the old age pension, how ever any money earned from these properties are taken into consideration, it is classed as a income. So if they are earning above the thresh hold they will not be entitled to the pension.

If these properties are not earning a income and the pensioner sells the asset it becomes cash asset and likely to be over the thresh hold amount therefore they are not entitled to the pension.

Get your facts right before making shambled comments you idiot! its all on the government website.

You dick heads have this wacky bullshyte idea that asset million airs deliberately live in cash follow poverty for the sake of a couple of free hundreds a week when they can live on 10 times that.

You labor/greens are really dam you*ked up.

No, what I wrote is all correct. And they don’t have to sell nothing, monkey brain, they can raise mortgages and probably have company and/or trusts to arrange things they keep their income down.

Yup, the rich are used to using all sorts of dodges to keep as much money out the tax collectors’ hands as possible. Lawyered up, good accountants, the lot.

You can thank John Uterus Howard for all this mess.

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