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Reply #15 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:26am
 
George is a front runner for Truebelieverlander of the Year.....

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Reply #16 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:27am
 
I provide evidence for my conclusions. I have noticed you never do, so swaggie, you are one of the truly deluded.
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Reply #17 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:32am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:25am:
cods wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:18am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:58am:
OK - so now we need FOUR islands - we have The Gender Islands, with a group of men on one and a group of women on the other and see how they go - then we add in another two, the Political Islands... Right Island and Left Island and see how THEY go.. all islands have the same start-up resources and we see how they go and see what happens over time.

I STILL say the Men's Island will build boats to get to the Women's Island..... the Righties might invade the Lefties...or the other way around.

Auditions are open for this upcoming Grappler Enterprises program - coming soon to national television near YOU!



you forgot the gays only island......oh the mind boggles..no dress ups Roll Eyes they wont go..



Damn - you're right!  Maybe a Lesbos and a Gayos or whatever - look at how men and women gays handle things.

OK - SIX Islands it is...

"The Six Islands Of Dr Grappler"...... already put the idea to the ABC - next the SBS.... you'll get your cut from the proceeds.  I've got the director lined up..... I'll produce..... need crew and motivated people to participate....



Nup - I think we'll turn this into a series, each set of Islands separate,  and franchise it out as well - the US should pay big dollars for this one.... we can also have the Generation Islands - Baby Boomers on one and Gen X on another and see who makes the best of it.  I have a fair idea who'd win that one!
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Reply #18 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:37am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:27am:
I provide evidence for my conclusions. I have noticed you never do, so swaggie, you are one of the truly deluded.


...but you didn't provide evidence for concluding that I never provide evidence for concluding.... Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:43am
 
You all, both Right & Left, do realize that it takes two to tango?

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Reply #20 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:50am
 
The socialists would all pull together and share the fruits of their labour.....The Capitalists would exploit each other and take what ever advantage they can at the detriment of the greater community.....Capitalism creates winners and losers that exploits resources for the benefit of the individual over the whole community.....CSG is a classic example of Capitalism exploiting resources over the concerns of the greater community....IMO!!!

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Reply #21 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:53am
 
http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/myefo/html/14_appendix_b-02.htm

Total tax revenue 13/14 $252Bn
Company tax 13/14 $70Bn = 28%
Individual tax $168Bn = 67%

BTW—MRRT $500m, this would be rising rapidly with the end of the investment phase of mining, the rapid depreciation running out. Since we need all the revenue we can muster, and the MRRT only applies to mines earning large incomes just what the hell justification is there for cancelling it? Gina being unhappy with it is not a valid reason!

http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/myefo/html/06_attachment_c.htm
Tax expenditures.

Since the shambles are now taxing the contributions of the lowest paid, ensuring future governments will have higher pension liabilities, how the hell can tax expenditures for super go from $35Bn this year to $40Bn next year and $51Bn in 2016/7? This is tax deductions given to the richest 10%, does not encourage people to invest more in super, just to use it as a tax haven for income! Cancel this rort and the deficit is wiped out! Hmmm the shambles have said they are going to keep them, so they are not serious about reducing “debt and deficit.” In the simian’s kindergarten terms, we are using money we haven’t got to make a few rich people richer.

Other tax expenditures rise from $59Bn to $65Bn in 2016/7. A lot of this is FBT, again tax money given to those who don’t really need it.

For the righties who probably need the explanation—tax expenditures are taxes foregone that could well be collected.

So smacking around fiddling with the dole and DSP won’t do anything to solve the problem of the Budget deficit. They are meant to please the Lib base. The real work correcting imbalances and tax largesse will be left to the next Labor govt.

Go ahead and look—those are the official figures
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Reply #22 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:59am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:50am:
The socialists would all pull together and share the fruits of their labour.....



Yet every time this has been tried it results in millions of deaths and/or unproductive and short lasting bureaucracies.
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Reply #23 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:03pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:50am:
The socialists would all pull together and share the fruits of their labour.....

russia , china,  Grin Grin



Yet every time this has been tried it results in millions of deaths and/or unproductive and short lasting bureaucracies.


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Reply #24 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:11pm
 
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Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

•China
•Denmark
•Finland
•Netherlands
•Canada
•Sweden
•Norway
•Ireland
•New Zealand
•Belgium


http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

The most Capitalist country in the world is the USA.....

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OECD: China will be Largest Economy Around 2016

The OECD’s Economic Survey of China paints a highly favorable picture of Beijing’s future growth prospects.

China has already overtaken the EU as the second largest economy in the world, and can be expected to surpass the U.S. economy as the world’s biggest economy around 2016, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).


http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/oecd-china-will-be-largest-economy-around-2016/

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
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Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

•China
•Denmark
•Finland
•Netherlands
•Canada
•Sweden
•Norway
•Ireland
•New Zealand
•Belgium




They all work along market principles. They sell goods and services on the market and fund public institutions through taxation.
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Reply #26 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:27pm
 
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China

In China the government manages and controls the economy. Many of the domestic companies are owned and run by the government. Recently, the Chinese economy has become more geared towards capitalism, but is still officially socialist. Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America.

Denmark

Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less

Finland

Finland has one of the world’s best education systems, with no tuition fees and also giving free meals to their students. The literacy rate in Finland is 100 percent. Finland has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Like Denmark and other European countries, equality is considered one of the most important values in society. Whereas in the Netherlands, government control over the economy remains at a minimum, but a socialist welfare system remains. The lifestyle in the Netherlands is very egalitarian and organized, where even bosses do not discipline or treat their subordinates rudely.

Canada

Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.

Sweden

Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

Ireland

Ireland has arguably one of the best welfare systems in the world, with unemployment checks higher on average than Denmark or Switzerland’s average. Around 25 percent of Ireland’s GDP goes towards paying for the welfare system, as compared to 15 percent of America’ GDP towards America’s social support programs.

New Zealand

New Zealand may not be a socialist country, but the welfare system in the country is very wide ranging, offering support for housing, unemployment, health, child care, and education as well. Therefore, New Zealand has many of the characteristics of a socialist country, even while remaining officially free market.

Belgium

Lastly, Belgium has most of the same social security benefits that New Zealand offers, including invalid and old age pensions. The welfare system causes much of the country’s budget deficit though, and so is considered by some to be a burden on society.


These countries have adopted economic Capitalism with Government Socialism.....The best of both systems!!!

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Reply #27 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 1:24pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:18pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:11pm:
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Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

•China
•Denmark
•Finland
•Netherlands
•Canada
•Sweden
•Norway
•Ireland
•New Zealand
•Belgium




They all work along market principles. They sell goods and services on the market and fund public institutions through taxation.


Hmm, it's almost like an ideal situation is not going to any extreme but meeting somewhere in the middle  Roll Eyes
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Reply #28 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 1:32pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:45am:
All the Lefty voters should live in one place and have their own country.

Truebelieverland.

Let's see.....in 5 minutes Truebelieverland would be broke.  Executed their PM.  There'd be no businesses or industry.  They'd be overrun with illegal entrants.  Unemployment would be 100% but they'd be collectively happy because everyone was equally miserable..... Grin

They'd soon be in their leaky boats to get to Coalition-land.  But alas, the Coalitionlanders have protected their borders very well and they couldn't sneak in.  The Coalitionlanders have lots of cash though because they no longer had any freeloaders  to hand out funds to and so the Coalitionlanders want for nothing.  A flat rate of income tax and a 25% GST pays for everything the tiny public service requires and the toughest best equipped defence force and with their arsenal of nuclear weapons and efficient domestic industries no schitbox countries dare mess with them so they live happily ever after

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......... after 100 years Coalitionland annexes Truebeliverland as apparently the population became extinct......they claim Terra nullius.





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Strange how you try to accuse "lefties" of being "true believers" when its typically the "righties"that believe in the invisible entity controlling every aspect of their lives . . .

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Reply #29 - Jan 25th, 2014 at 1:43pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:04am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:53am:
Stratos wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:51am:
Swagman wrote on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:45am:
toughest best equipped defence force and with their arsenal of nuclear weapons


Yeah have fun with your fallout zone there



You know that the nukes are not meant to be dropped on your own country, don't you?




It's like you've never heard of the Cold War or something? Bay of Pigs? Mutually assured destruction?  Ringing any bells?


The Cold War was about NOT using nuclear weapons, the Bay of Pigs was a conventionally armed attempt at a counter revolution against Castro by Cuban refugees (financed and organised by the CIA).

And mutually assured destruction was a retaliatory response system in the event of nuclear attack by either the East or West.

None of these involved using nuclear weapons on your own soil, so are completely meaningless..
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