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Reply #75 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:40am

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

So Swaggy, IF the Capitalist way is so good, THEN WHY are the results of its "leaders", so CRAPPY?

That's an easy one because as the story says......

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The Coalitionlanders have lots of cash though because they no longer had any freeloaders to hand out funds to

Those that pay the majority of tax are in the minority. Government is in the hands of the Freeloaders.

The Countries that are deep in public debt have been maintaining living standards by maxing the credit card instead of balancing the books.

Why go without when you have a credit card to hit. Labor's motto... Grin

And as the Iron Lady said...."the trouble with socialism is that you always run out of other people's money"..... Sad

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Reply #77 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:48am

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

So Swaggy, IF the Capitalist way is so good, THEN WHY are the results of its "leaders", so CRAPPY?

That's an easy one because as the story says......

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The Coalitionlanders have lots of cash though because they no longer had any freeloaders to hand out funds to

Those that pay the majority of tax are in the minority. Government is in the hands of the Freeloaders.

The Countries that are deep in public debt have been maintaining living standards by maxing the credit card instead of balancing the books.

Why go without when you have a credit card to hit. Labor's motto... Grin

And as the Iron Lady said...."the trouble with socialism is that you always run out of other people's money"..... Sad

I was wrong ... you're not delluded .... you are even beyond even the delluded . If the govt. hadn't supported those 'freeloaders' you'd have gone the way of the French aristicracy in the period of 1789 - 1799 .....

swinging on the ned of a rope..... Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #78 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:56am

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

So Swaggy, IF the Capitalist way is so good, THEN WHY are the results of its "leaders", so CRAPPY?

That's an easy one because as the story says......

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The Coalitionlanders have lots of cash though because they no longer had any freeloaders to hand out funds to

Those that pay the majority of tax are in the minority. Government is in the hands of the Freeloaders.

The Countries that are deep in public debt have been maintaining living standards by maxing the credit card instead of balancing the books.

Why go without when you have a credit card to hit. Labor's motto... Grin

And as the Iron Lady said...."the trouble with socialism is that you always run out of other people's money"..... Sad

In fact, I referred to the Capitalist "Leaders" of the USA & Japan, they are the ones in "DEEP DEBT", whilst the "Socialists" in Norway are in a MUCH, MUCH BETTER POSITION!

It is not just a simple matter of the Left is CRAP & the Right is GREAT! In fact, most Politicians around the Globe, on both the Right & Left have done a poor long term job, over at least the last 50-60 years!

But, the "true Believers", from both Left & Right", are stuck in their own mire/mess & are unlikely to admit, THEIR SIDE STUFFED THINGS UP!

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Reply #79 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 2:09am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:43am:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

All the Lefty voters should live in one place and have their own country.

Truebelieverland.

Let's see.....in 5 minutes Truebelieverland would be broke. Executed their PM. There'd be no businesses or industry. They'd be overrun with illegal entrants. Unemployment would be 100% but they'd be collectively happy because everyone was equally miserable..... Grin

They'd soon be in their leaky boats to get to Coalition-land. But alas, the Coalitionlanders have protected their borders very well and they couldn't sneak in. The Coalitionlanders have lots of cash though because they no longer had any freeloaders to hand out funds to and so the Coalitionlanders want for nothing. A flat rate of income tax and a 25% GST pays for everything the tiny public service requires and the toughest best equipped defence force and with their arsenal of nuclear weapons and efficient domestic industries no schitbox countries dare mess with them so they live happily ever after

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what a beautiful piece of literature!
write a story, I mean it! except for the 25%

Non-fiction..........sad but true..........but what 25%

Well you did write 25% GST, which seems a bit high, since the welfare costs will go way down.

A "bit"?!?
That's a "bit" underestimated

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Torpedo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 867 Sydney Gender:	Re: Truebelieverland Reply #80 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:21pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 4:52am: Nah - most religious nuts are Rightards.... not the same thing... Not that I noticed, many muslims are leftists
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Reply #81 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:33pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 2:09am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:43am:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 25^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

All the Lefty voters should live in one place and have their own country.

Truebelieverland.

Let's see.....in 5 minutes Truebelieverland would be broke. Executed their PM. There'd be no businesses or industry. They'd be overrun with illegal entrants. Unemployment would be 100% but they'd be collectively happy because everyone was equally miserable..... Grin

They'd soon be in their leaky boats to get to Coalition-land. But alas, the Coalitionlanders have protected their borders very well and they couldn't sneak in. The Coalitionlanders have lots of cash though because they no longer had any freeloaders to hand out funds to and so the Coalitionlanders want for nothing. A flat rate of income tax and a 25% GST pays for everything the tiny public service requires and the toughest best equipped defence force and with their arsenal of nuclear weapons and efficient domestic industries no schitbox countries dare mess with them so they live happily ever after

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what a beautiful piece of literature!
write a story, I mean it! except for the 25%

Non-fiction..........sad but true..........but what 25%

Well you did write 25% GST, which seems a bit high, since the welfare costs will go way down.

Based on Finland where they have a 24% GST and a very efficient public health and education sector.

The Fins also have relatively low marginal tax rates (30% is the highest bracket) and a low company tax rate (24.5%)

Now a Truebeliever would argue that a 24% GST is unfair on the poor but the opposite is true.

Why? Because the GST funds the public services and social security that the poor rely upon.

Finland is an established old country. They have one purpose, one culture, one nation.
Australia is young and still very messy nation, it's a zoo, no-one have the desire to pay for no-one, at least not now.
Maybe, when it will all be Austrasian, or Austrindian, or hopefully Australian, maybe you could then impose ridiculous tax rate impossible for anyone to pay rent, and have everyone working for the benefit of the bored unemployed bashing and king hitting, or drug addict, or radical fanatic with 10 troubled kids, and 4 unemployed women in each household, or some cultural fkwit who doens't recognise you as a human because your are white, or anglo, or christian, or whatever it may be that doesn't suit whatever 'minority' with sad past, sad present, and sad future, although, continue eating and living on these taxes you are actually working on...
At the moment, I personally don't see why I should be paying so much, I just don't see who is going to benefit, certainly not me.
What you will experience, is most small business will stop existence, and you will be relying on the trash that is left.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Truebelieverland Reply #82 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:35pm What re you saying Torpedo? That in the future you want to aim towards Socialism?
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Reply #83 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:41pm

ok, here is the reality.
Currently we are paying around 5k rent a month, 3k rent/mortgage, we are not holidaying or allowing ourselves any luxuries, we pretty much work for the kids education, roof over our heads, food, rent and ... yes, you guessed it 10% GSfknT!
Now, normally we have to extend the GST repayments, as we constantly, and I mean forever living on credit, this vicious circle is scary, as our kids are still very young.
The 10% is 5-6k out of our pockets every QTR, sometimes more, depends on the time of the year, and we struggle to pay. Not to mention Income tax!
Should the 25% hit us, it will kills us and our business, leave us and our kids in the hands of fate.
Next door business neighbours are already at this stage, the premises have been 'for lease' the last 6 months.
It's unaffordable.
But go on, why not, let's test it.

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Torpedo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 867 Sydney Gender:	Re: Truebelieverland Reply #84 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:42pm Stratos wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:35pm: What re you saying Torpedo? That in the future you want to aim towards Socialism? no
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Reply #85 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 1:30pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

Finland is an established old country. They have one purpose, one culture, one nation.Australia is young and still very messy nation, it's a zoo, no-one have the desire to pay for no-one, at least not now.

Australia's federation is older than Finland's.

Finland was a relative latecomer to industrialisation, remaining a largely agrarian country until the 1950s. Thereafter, it rapidly developed an advanced economy (according to Wikipedia)

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Reply #86 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 1:46pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

Finland is an established old country. They have one purpose, one culture, one nation.Australia is young and still very messy nation, it's a zoo, no-one have the desire to pay for no-one, at least not now.

Australia's federation is older than Finland's.

Finland was a relative latecomer to industrialisation, remaining a largely agrarian country until the 1950s. Thereafter, it rapidly developed an advanced economy (according to Wikipedia)

I meant country, nation and culture, not industrialisation.
In comparison to them Australia is well behind. Australia doesn't have any decent culture. Doesn't have one purpose.
These are the main attributes that induce purpose, as a nation, not individualism. And I am not talking about socialism, I am referring to similar mentality, views on life, moral values.

But anyway, in essence it's still not the most important, as much as I know many Finns are quite uncertain about future of their country, and many are not happy about the system, in particular those who are excluded from the creamy part

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Reply #87 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 1:46pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

ok, here is the reality.
Currently we are paying around 5k rent a month, 3k rent/mortgage, we are not holidaying or allowing ourselves any luxuries, we pretty much work for the kids education, roof over our heads, food, rent and ... yes, you guessed it 10% GSfknT!
Now, normally we have to extend the GST repayments, as we constantly, and I mean forever living on credit, this vicious circle is scary, as our kids are still very young.
The 10% is 5-6k out of our pockets every QTR, sometimes more, depends on the time of the year, and we struggle to pay. Not to mention Income tax!
Should the 25% hit us, it will kills us and our business, leave us and our kids in the hands of fate.
Next door business neighbours are already at this stage, the premises have been 'for lease' the last 6 months.
It's unaffordable.
But go on, why not, let's test it.

So you collect GST from your customers - but have trouble remitting it to the government because you use this money for other purposes? (my heart bleeds)

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Reply #88 - Jan 26^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

Cliff48 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 26^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

ok, here is the reality.
Currently we are paying around 5k rent a month, 3k rent/mortgage, we are not holidaying or allowing ourselves any luxuries, we pretty much work for the kids education, roof over our heads, food, rent and ... yes, you guessed it 10% GSfknT!
Now, normally we have to extend the GST repayments, as we constantly, and I mean forever living on credit, this vicious circle is scary, as our kids are still very young.
The 10% is 5-6k out of our pockets every QTR, sometimes more, depends on the time of the year, and we struggle to pay. Not to mention Income tax!
Should the 25% hit us, it will kills us and our business, leave us and our kids in the hands of fate.
Next door business neighbours are already at this stage, the premises have been 'for lease' the last 6 months.
It's unaffordable.
But go on, why not, let's test it.

So you collect GST from your customers - but have trouble remitting it to the government because you use this money for other purposes? (my heart bleeds)

You must do you maths before you accuse anyone of anything.
How the bugger would you run a business when you pay GST on products you buy to run and don't charge GST on what you sell.
You must be a socialist.

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