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Reply #105 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:25pm

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 9:37pm:

You brought it up this time, not me. But that's OK. It is to be expected that people make comparison's with Hitler whenever they discuss Muhammed. Hitler really was a little Muhammed.

Much more than most people understand. From Craig Winn's "Prophet of Doom" (I received permission to copy and paste from the author). Much better read at the link which bolds and colors fonts:
http://prophetofdoom.net/Mein_Kampf.Islam

"With the prophet's career summarized and his attributes documented, it's time we take a final look at the man who mirrored his character and mission. Only miles and years distinguished Hitler from his mentor.

Der fuhrer's methods for accomplishing his madness were identical to der prophet's. Mein Kampf:676 "Spiritual terror...men must threaten and dominate men by compulsion. Compulsion is only broken by compulsion and terror by terror." On the road to power, compulsion follows seduction. And the lever that coerces compulsion is terror. Hitler simply followed Muhammad's path. Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"

Mein Kampf:677 "Since our view of life will never share power with another, it cannot co-operate with the existing doctrines it condemns. It is obliged to fight by all available means until the entire world of hostile ideas collapses." Throughout the entirety of the Islamic era we have heard a singular battle cry: Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone." Both men envisioned an eternal battle and total submission.

Mein Kampf:677 "This corrosive fight...for the new program and new view of life [religion] demands determined fighters...and a forceful fighting organization. The recipe for a favorable result requires the formulation of a declaration of war against all existing order [religions and doctrines], and against all existing conceptions of life in general." Just like Islam, it was the Nazis against the world. The "House of Islam" forever battles the "House of War." Tabari IX:69 "He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us."

The Nazis usurped Muhammad's dogma. The recipe of "submit and obey" was perfect for empowering their tyrant. Mein Kampf:679 "The strength of a party lies in the disciplined obedience of the members to follow their leadership. The decisive factors are leadership and discipline. When troops battle one another, the victorious one will be that which is blindly obedient to the Superior Leader." Islam says: Ishaq:601 "The best men launch spears as if they were swords. They peer forward unweariedly. They devote their lives to their Prophet. In hand-to-hand fighting and cavalry attacks they purify themselves with the blood of the infidels. They consider that an act of piety."

It is hard to distinguish which poligious doctrine was more fixated on violence. Mein Kampf:680 "In order to lead a view of life to victory, we have to transform it into a fighting movement." Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have cut off every opponent's nose and ears with our swords. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them for they must suffer disgrace."

Like Muhammad, Hitler seduced men before he coerced them. He made promises but never delivered. Mein Kampf:683 "The Party with its program of twenty-five points is unshakable." Ten of the twenty-five Nazi pillars were financial inducements, bribes if you will. Twelve were control mechanisms. Three were focused on fighting. The following Islamic concepts made Hitler's list in Mein Kampf : "abrogation," "duty," "annulment of treaties," the "confiscation of war booty," profit sharing or "distribution of spoils," the party's cut or "fifth," "conquest," "expulsion of nonbelievers," "alms" or pensions for believers, "Jewish businesses to be looted and divided," "Jewish land to become communal," a "ban on Jewish usury," "Jews to be punished by death," "the establishment of the laws" of der Fuhrer," the formation of "an army," "restrictions on journalists," and a "recasting of Christianity." Apart from time and place, der fuhrer's list was an awful lot like der prophet's."

Etc. etc. with much more on the parallels at this link:
http://prophetofdoom.net/Mein_Kampf.Islam

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Re: beast, 666, islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an?
Reply #106 - Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:08am:

.....and the fact that the remaining jews did not offer any objections to their treatment is testament......

Sure, why would those that survived the boys and men that were beheaded - being the remaining pre-pubescent boys and the girls and women of the Banu Qurayza - have had any objection to their brothers, dads and grandpas being beheaded, and having their little sisters, daughters, and moms raped and pressed into sexual slavery?

Enough running and hiding gand. I realize Muhammadans have been blinded to the desires of women by THE false prophet Muhammad, as prophesied in scripture, but try answering the question this time. This question is about those women:

Did the Muhammadans
RAPE
the women of the Banu Qurayza, or do you believe those girls and women

DESIRED to have sex

with the men, responsible for beheading their sons, husbands, brothers, fathers and grandfathers, and the rape of their little daughters, sisters, mothers and grandmothers?

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Reply #107 - Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 9:37pm:

You left out the bit about following this up with the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the area.

Jews were not cleansed from the area by Muhammad. Simple historical facts FD.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Did I say Jews? I meant pagans. That's alright then. They are like Gypsies. Hitler also slaughtered Gypsies.

'Pagans' is not really the right word. You make it sound like Muhammad marched into India and destroyed a rich and ancient pagan culture. The culture was the same, and the core points of theology between Muhammad's followers and the Meccans was essentially the same.

The arabs at that time, strictly speaking, were montheists - worshipping the same God of the jews, christians and Muhammad. However they had also set up partners to God and started abandoning the monotheistic teachings and traditions passed down since Abraham.

If you actually bother to read Watt, he argues that Muhammad's movement was a social revolution rather than a radical change in theology. The setting was the rapid growth in mercantilism that came with urbanisation - Arabia underwent a radical transformation from a nomadic bedouin society, to a trade-based one. And with that came massive social changes - traditional bedouin ways of community and social responsibility gave way to selfish individualism. In this setting, Muhammad's teachings, according to Watt, were always geared towards creating a social revolution that addressed the loss of community spirit: take care of the orphans, provide for the poor (eg zakat), stand up against tyranny and oppression.

Not surprisingly, most of Muhammad's early supporters were from the lower, poorer sections of society, while Muhammad's most vehement opponents were the privileged capitalists.

Between the first revelation and the eventual conquest of Mecca, Islam's adherents overwhelmingly came from people "crossing over" from the other side - lured by the "social revolution" message. That is the reality of the spread of islam, yes there were episodes of violence as there are in the advancement of any revolutionary political movement, but they do not define the spread of Islam, which overwhelmingly spread peacefully. To claim that it does, has absolutely no basis in fact.

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Reply #108 - Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 9:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 9:37pm:

You left out the bit about following this up with the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the area.

That's right! They kept the women and children of the Banu Qurayza to rape and press into sexual slavery. The other two Jewish tribes were banished to die in the desert when he stole their property to arm and finance his imperialistic conquest. Since Muhammad and his boys chose not to work for a living they had to steal the fruit of the labor of others.
http://www.brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

Jews were not cleansed from the area by Muhammad. Simple historical facts FD.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Did I say Jews? I meant pagans. That's alright then. They are like Gypsies. Hitler also slaughtered Gypsies.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 9:37pm:

'Pagans' is not really the right word. You make it sound like Muhammad marched into India and destroyed a rich and ancient pagan culture. The culture was the same, and the core points of theology between Muhammad's followers and the Meccans was essentially the same.

That's exactly right. Pure paganism, including Arabian Star Family worship. That's why Muhammad's followers to this day engage in adopted, adapted, and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

The arabs at that time, strictly speaking, were montheists - worshipping the same God of the jews, christians and Muhammad.

This is a filthy lie on so many levels.
First they worshiped pagan Arabian gods represented by 360 idols. Muslims prostrate toward one of those idols today.
Second the etymology of the name "Allah" tells us that it was the name of the Arabian pagan's moon god, at one time considered the most powerful of all of their pagan deities. Thus the cry to this day "Allah Akbar" or Allah is the greatER or greatEST of all of the Star Family deities.
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/mecca/star.htm

The Quraish worshiped the Arabian Star family just as pagans did in all the other kaabas throughout Arabia. They engaged in those pagan rituals shoulder to shoulder right up until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when he kicked the poor pagans out of their own ritual.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#twaf

Muhammad threw in the jinn-devil worship ritual of the Sa'ee - of running back and forth between two hills Al-Safa and Al-Marwah - that had formerly had the idols of Asaf and Neliah placed on them. The most venerated priest and priestess of the Arabian jinn-devil religion. The legend was that they made love in the Kaaba and were turned to stone, and that is what their statues were doing on Al-Safa and Al-Marwah that Muslims still run back and forth between today. Having been duped into more geographically impossible lies about Hagar and Ishmael.
http://www.religionresearchinstitute.org/Hajj/umra.htm

Muhammad included the Sa'ee to be inclusive of the two lazy caravan plundering bandit tribes of the Oas and Kazraj, that helped him slaughter the Medina Jews, rape their women and steal property, prior to their conquering Mecca.

Third your claim could not be more of a blasphemous lie. Islam is the EXACT OPPOSITE. Islam is ANTICHRIST.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

However they had also set up partners to God and started abandoning the monotheistic teachings and traditions passed down since Abraham.

Simply parroting a lie won't make it magically come true my friend. You parrot Satan's lies even as you already know that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and that it is a geographical impossibility that Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was settled in the 4th century AD.

To learn about Abraham read the only historical record that exists about him. The scriptures, not some heavily abrogated bunch of hogwash recited by a SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate that was created mainly by his first wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal, an Ebionite occult priest. As well as a former "Christian" named Jabr, other Christian and Jew wives and concubines of his and such.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/history_of_the_quran.htm#plagiarism_in_quran

Like his denial of Christ's crucifixion that he got from the Gnostic Ebionites by way of Waraqa.
http://www.brotherpete.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm

Here's an account of when YHWH manifest Himself in the flesh of a man, spoke to Abraham, and even washed His feet and ate and drank with him:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_manifest_flesh.htm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

If you actually bother to read Watt, he argues that Muhammad's movement was a social revolution rather than a radical change in theology.

Indeed! The anti-religion of Islam lost any pretense of religiosity when Muhammad slaughtered the Jews, raped their women and stole their property, to begin the Islamic First Jihad imperialistic conquest of nearly the whole known world.

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Reply #109 - Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 9:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

The setting was the rapid growth in mercantilism that came with urbanisation - Arabia underwent a radical transformation from a nomadic bedouin society, to a trade-based one.

This is when Mecca was initially established. Since it was one of the driest places that even Arabia had to offer, there were no pastures or any way for anyone to have survived in the area before trade. The trade route wasn't established until around the 6th century BC (which was also about the time Medina was settled), which was over a thousand years after Abraham, and over 1,000 kilometers away from where Abraham ever traveled.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

And with that came massive social changes ........

Indeed. And unto today. Become a Muslim or pay the price.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

.......- traditional bedouin ways of community and social responsibility gave way to selfish individualism. In this setting, Muhammad's teachings, according to Watt, were always geared towards creating a social revolution that addressed the loss of community spirit: take care of the orphans, provide for the poor (eg zakat), stand up against tyranny and oppression.

Muhammadanism WAS, IS and HAS ALWAYS BEEN the very definition of tyranny and oppression. Death penalty for apostasy:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_p...

Death penalty for blasphemy:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm

Or as Muhammad put it "causing mischief in the land".

Quran Surah 5:33 The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

Not surprisingly, most of Muhammad's early supporters were from the lower, poorer sections of society, .......

Just as today when they recruit in prison - folks with IQs of 60 or lower, who are willing to believe Muhammad rode on a magic flying donkey-mule, talking ants and birds, Solomon and his troops riding on a magic flying carpet, and that the sun sets in a pool of murky water.
http://www.brotherpete.com/fables_fantasies.htm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

....... while Muhammad's most vehement opponents were the privileged capitalists.

Come on. Muhammad first wife - his sugar momma that was 20 years his senior - was a capitalist.
Muhammad quit working to steal the fruit of the labor of others. Should anybody wonder why hard working productive people were adverse to his stealing the property they worked hard for?

Ishaq:475 "Allah commanded that horses should be kept for His enemy in the fight so they might vex them. We obeyed our Prophet's orders when he called us to war. When he called for violent efforts we made them. The Prophet's command is obeyed for he is truly believed. He will give us
victory, glory, and
a life of ease.
Those who call Muhammad a liar disbelieve and go astray. They attacked our religion and would not submit."

Islam attacking those that do not submit all around the world today. Oh that's right with Sunni and Shiite mutual murder of each others innocents, they attack Islamic countries too!

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

Between the first revelation and the eventual conquest of Mecca, Islam's adherents overwhelmingly came from people "crossing over" from the other side - lured by the "social revolution" message.

Reprobate men lured with the promise of prisoner rape and being able to steal rather than work for a living. Men being fed lies that they would be rewarded in the chicken and wine serving bordello of Muhammad overactive imagination that he called "paradise", if they should inadvertently be killed while engaged in the act of murdering others through imperialistic conquest.
http://www.brotherpete.com/#paradise

Sahih Muslim B 20 #4681 The tradition has been narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah b. Qais. He heard it from his father who, while facing the enemy, reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Surely, the gates of paradise are under the shadows of the swords. A man in a shabby condition got up and said; Abu Musa, did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say this? He said: Yes. (The narrator said): He returned to his friends and said: I greet you (a farewell greeting). Then he broke the sheath of his sword, threw it away, advanced with his (naked) sword towards the enemy and fought (them) with it until he was slain. (also B 19 #4314)
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#islamic_first_ji...

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Reply #111 - Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

That is the reality of the spread of islam, yes there were episodes of violence as there are in the advancement of any revolutionary political movement.....

You mean as in the advancement of every imperialistic conquest, of all morally reprobate megalomaniacs, that had ambition to conquer the world, steal property and subjugate others to themselves.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.....
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:38am:

...... but they do not define the spread of Islam, which overwhelmingly spread peacefully. To claim that it does, has absolutely no basis in fact.

Quit the typical lies and Islamic dissimulation and answer the question this time:

Did the Muhammadans
RAPE
the women of the Banu Qurayza, or do you believe those girls and women

DESIRED to have sex

with the men, responsible for beheading their sons, husbands, brothers, fathers and grandfathers, and the rape of their little daughters, sisters, mothers and grandmothers?

It would go a long way toward setting you free if you simply admit to the unavoidable fact, that Muhammad and his fellow cutthroat thieves WERE RAPISTS, which is the ONLY POSSIBLE answer to that question.
Do you really think that folks can't see the reason you are ignoring this question?

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Reply #112 - Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm

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'Pagans' is not really the right word. You make it sound like Muhammad marched into India and destroyed a rich and ancient pagan culture. The culture was the same, and the core points of theology between Muhammad's followers and the Meccans was essentially the same.

I can see why he was so keen to wipe them out.

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If you actually bother to read Watt, he argues that Muhammad's movement was a social revolution rather than a radical change in theology.

A religious and a political ideology, perhaps?

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And with that came massive social changes - traditional bedouin ways of community and social responsibility gave way to selfish individualism. In this setting, Muhammad's teachings, according to Watt, were always geared towards creating a social revolution that addressed the loss of community spirit: take care of the orphans, provide for the poor (eg zakat), stand up against tyranny and oppression...

...by slaughtering anyone who got in his way.

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Between the first revelation and the eventual conquest of Mecca, Islam's adherents overwhelmingly came from people "crossing over" from the other side

Of course. Muhammed did not spread Islam by the sword until he was actually able to spread Islam by the sword.

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yes there were episodes of violence as there are in the advancement of any revolutionary political movement

I think there was only one episode of violence. It went for about 1400 years.

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but they do not define the spread of Islam, which overwhelmingly spread peacefully

Muhammed and his sucessors were more than happy to use intimidation as much as actual violence, but you need a good show of violence and rabid, unreasoning psychopathy occasionally to get the message out. It's a bit of a stretch to call that peaceful. Abu liked to tell us that people welcomed Muhammed's army with open arms because he promised to lower taxes etc. He also conceded that the offer of peace made by Muslims was backed with an offer of violence, but somehow didn't see any contradiction.

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To claim that it does, has absolutely no basis in fact.

Except of course for the 1400 years of spreading Islam by the sword. I remember Abu giving the same BS spiel. He even tried to claim that Muslims crossed the Mediterranean to invade Spain in self defense. It did not spread peacefully, but rather with endless threats and justifications for brutal violence.

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Reply #113 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 6:25am

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

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Between the first revelation and the eventual conquest of Mecca, Islam's adherents overwhelmingly came from people "crossing over" from the other side

Of course. Muhammed did not spread Islam by the sword until he was actually able to spread Islam by the sword.

The inconsistencies in your meme is hilarious. You realise I was referring to a campaign that happened in the last year of his life right? Are you happilly admitting that right up until then Islam spread peacefully? What happened to his career of rape and pillage starting from the battle of the trench 6 years earlier?

At least put some thought into constructing a plausible meme.

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Except of course for the 1400 years of spreading Islam by the sword. I remember Abu giving the same BS spiel. He even tried to claim that Muslims crossed the Mediterranean to invade Spain in self defense. It did not spread peacefully, but rather with endless threats and justifications for brutal violence.

strawman.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #114 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:19am

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The inconsistencies in your meme is hilarious. You realise I was referring to a campaign that happened in the last year of his life right? Are you happilly admitting that right up until then Islam spread peacefully?

I am saying that Muhammed and his followers used whatever means were available, none of theme exclusively, as I just finished explaining. All empires spread this way. You might as well argue that Muhammed was peaceful on the day he executed 800 Jews, because most of the day was defined by brief periods in between heads being chopped off.

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It is not a strawman. Even you have tried to pretend that the Muslim empire only spread in self defense, and that Muhammed only slaughtered people and took sex slaves in self defense.

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Reply #115 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:28am

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

I am saying that Muhammed and his followers used whatever means were available, none of theme exclusively, as I just finished explaining. All empires spread this way. You might as well argue that Muhammed was peaceful on the day he executed 800 Jews, because most of the day was defined by brief periods in between heads being chopped off.

You are making it up as you go along. In reality you don't have a clue:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

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Between the first revelation and the eventual conquest of Mecca, Islam's adherents overwhelmingly came from people "crossing over" from the other side

Of course. Muhammed did not spread Islam by the sword until he was actually able to spread Islam by the sword.

Obviously you had no clue that the event in question happened right at the end of Muhammad's life and career, otherwise you wouldn't so knowingly contradict the meme you have been hammering ad-infinitum that Muhammad spent most of the previous 6 years raping and pillaging his way across Arabia. The same meme, which incidentally, you just casually threw in just one line above:

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

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And with that came massive social changes - traditional bedouin ways of community and social responsibility gave way to selfish individualism. In this setting, Muhammad's teachings, according to Watt, were always geared towards creating a social revolution that addressed the loss of community spirit: take care of the orphans, provide for the poor (eg zakat), stand up against tyranny and oppression...

...by slaughtering anyone who got in his way.

...except when he didn't slaughter anyone who got in his way - say like the entire 6 years before the conquest of Mecca - like you just said.

You know FD, even most rabid islamophobes with even an ounce of intelligence would be embarassed by your "garr evil Muhammad" version of early islam.

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

It is not a strawman.

It is a strawman - we were talking about the career of Muhammad, not his successors.

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Reply #116 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:55am

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:19am:

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The inconsistencies in your meme is hilarious. You realise I was referring to a campaign that happened in the last year of his life right? Are you happilly admitting that right up until then Islam spread peacefully?

I am saying that Muhammed and his followers used whatever means were available, none of theme exclusively, as I just finished explaining. All empires spread this way. You might as well argue that Muhammed was peaceful on the day he executed 800 Jews, because most of the day was defined by brief periods in between heads being chopped off.

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strawman

It is not a strawman. Even you have tried to pretend that the Muslim empire only spread in self defense,

....and that Muhammed only slaughtered people and took sex slaves in self defense.

LOL

Skewered, FD!

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Reply #117 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 1:32pm

muslims have rules and regulations for laughing. The internet is full of islamic sites which give the guidelines:

a typical example here

The rules roughly are:

Jokes must always praise allah

Jokes should only be the truth.

Don't play practical jokes

The jokes should not be excessive e.g.: don't make a habit of telling jokes.

Don't joke about people’s status, character

Don't tell too many jokes you lose your respect

In other words the Australian sense of humor is totally forbidden in islam

Now muhammad is quoted as saying “Do not laugh too much, for verily excessive laughter kills the heart.” (Bukhari, Adab al-Mufrad; Sunan Tirmidhi; Sunan Ibn Maja; Musnad Ahmad)

The following extracts explain the killing of the heart here
Quote:

“For verily excessive laughter kills the heart, i.e., engulfs it in layers of darkness, akin to a dead person that cannot benefit from anything beneficial nor ward off from himself any harm.

citing various Imams, “Excessive laughter leads to a hardening of the heart, which in turn leads to heedlessness [of the Divine], and the death of the heart occurs not except by heedlessness.”

“Getting accustomed to laughter distracts one from reflecting on matters of significance…one who laughs excessively does not have a respectful demeanor

“Excessive laughter and excitement regarding worldly affairs is a lethal poison that flows in one’s veins and removes from the heart fear [of divine punishment], sadness [over one’s sins]

Laughter that kills the heart is that which occurs due to rejoicing over this life and being prideful in one’s joy thereof. T

the reason why excessive laughter kills the heart is because the root of excessive laughter is love of this world, which is the cause of every sin

Laughter is good for you (it makes you happy), the more the better, some people think offensive, crude jokes are the way to go , me I just ignore them. (just thought I'd throw that in before some apologist starts with the so you're all for saying anything goes you just pass it off as a joke?)

The muslim way is moderate laughter / happiness, don't laugh because you're happy with your lot in life, don't play practical jokes, don't take the mickey out of people, don't laugh over world affairs etc etc.

In other words, keep it straight, don't show too much emotional happiness.

Have you ever noticed in the papers, T.V., magazines etc. you never see muslims smiling or happy?

EXCEPT:

When they are burning churches, killing Christians, beheading people, killing people over supposed insults to the qur'an, killing apostates. killing non muslims, honour killing their wives and daughters, killing people over blasphemy, killing people who insult muhammad etc.etc.

Then, howling allahu akbar they whip themselves into frenzied euphoria, utter mass hysterical jubilation, at the prospect of being able to commit the worst, most inhumane atrocities conceivable, against their fellow man. (no teachings there about too much happiness will kill your heart)

Once again by their very deeds (in 2014, I might add) muslims show that islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an is most certainly a spiritual and physical Abomination For Desolation,

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