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Muhammed "predicted" that Muslims would ethnically cleanse pagans from Mecca and a large area of Arabia. That is exactly what they did.

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A strawman is where you falsely attribute a weak argument to your opponent. In other threads where I have to repeatedly point out that I did not actually say what you attribute to me, I am accusing you of using a strawman argument. I suspect you meant shifting the goal posts.

In any case, both Muhammed and his immediate successors (often acting on Muhammed's specific word, as in this case of ethnic cleansing) used threats, intimidation and actual violence whenever it suited them, with no rule or consistency other than whatever was in their immediate interests. When they could get people to surrender to them by offering a choice between rape and slaughter or a slightly less grinding oppression, they often got away with the "peaceful" option - not because they were peaceful, but because they were so happy to demonstrate their brutality to anyone who did not choose submission.

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Sure, if you pretend that I was responding to a point I was not responding to, then my response makes noe sense. Try highlighting this bit instead, then think about it some more:

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There are plenty of examples of Muhammed acting violently and attacking people in an aggressive war that had absolutely nothing to do with self defense. I even started a thread listing the examples for you, but you went all shy on me. Muhammed's successors continued this pattern of behaviour - thus demonstrating the dangers of holding a violent warmongering pedophile rapist to be God's messenger on earth.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values#Collec...

Muhammed "prophesied" the ethnic cleansing of all non-Muslims from the Arabian peninsula by his second successor Umar. He told Umar of this prediction in person. Umar partially fulfilled this prophesy, expelling all non-Muslims from the Hijaz area. Of course, all the non-Muslims brought this upon themselves by breaking covenants with Muhammed, and the harsh punishment was necessitated by the dire threats posed by the Jews and others to the Islamic state, and by the hostility of the Pagans. [115] [116] Muslims will also attempt to pass this off as 'voluntary' conversion to Islam by every single pagan on the peninsula. [117] Christians were also expelled as collective punishment, resulting in the population of a large area (around modern day Saudi Arabia) becoming 100% Muslim. [118] Geopolitical strategy is cited as an excuse for forced relocation from the Arabian peninsula, and Muslims consider that the people involved were lucky not to meet a worse fate. [119] Muhammed used pillage and murder as a form of punishment. Muslims justify Muhammed 'putting down' people by citing later examples where non-Muslims were the perpetrators. [120][121] Muslims will attempt to derail discussing of collective punishment under Muhammed into a debate about the meaning of the term, without offering an alternative meaning. [122]

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:28am:


There is no other version, according to Islam's own books - in early Islam and unto today.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
For some reason you seem to have missed my question, for what now, the 5th time or so, even though the font is large and bolded. Pretty hard to miss gand:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:


Yep the conquest of Mecca, the word conquest says it all.

So what do the Islamic texts say?
www.sunnah.com/search/expel-jews

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:


Sure. My version is that you completely made up the claim that Muhammad predicted that "pagans" would be "ethnically [ ] cleansed" from Arabia.

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:


You are probably right FD, I may be being unfair. Thus when you responded to: 

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it was unfair of me to insinuate that you actually had a clue that the period we were talking about represents the vast majority of Muhammad's time as leader of the islamic state, and that it directly contradicted your "career of rape and pillage" meme. So I'm happy to change the description of this episode from "contradicting yourself" to something fairer... say - "making sh*t up as you go and being completely clueless about the historical facts"

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:08am:




Pete,

Even the words of the Koran, condemn moslems who knowingly disobey the truth;


Two of my favourite Koran verses.....

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27




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Pete,

Moslems proclaim that they are righteously at war with the kuffar - the infidels, who their god hates.

But moslems are self deceivers, who's own self deceit, blinds moslems to the fact that it is moslems [themselves], who are the very persons [the 'kuffar'], who they [moslems] claim to 'righteously' despise!


WHO IS THE 'KUFFAR' ???

kuffar = = infidel = = 'a person who hides, denies, or covers the truth' = = liar
= = MOSLEM




http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
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freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:


The question is did he wash his arse correctly. That is by pouring from the pitcher, while sticking 2/3 of his middle finger up his butt and caressing forward on each of 3 times (ladies caressing backward), in the Islamically correct technique of butt fingering.
See: Islamically Correct Butt Wash
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/islam/khomeini-toilet/

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:



That is the moral ideal - to aim for.

But if man [in the flesh], falls short of that ideal, does God condemn him ? Always ?


e.g.
Even Jesus acknowledged the 'condition' of man, the 'condition' which man struggles with.

Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.


And Paul too acknowledged the nature and the weakness of the flesh.

Romans 12:17
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18  If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.




Pete,

Though i try, i do not measure up to Christ's perfection.

I acknowledge my error [before God], and i look for God's mercy.


Psalms 32:1
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2  Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.