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Reply #15 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 11:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 26th, 2014 at 11:08pm:
Don't worry, your mangoes are harmless.


They keep telling me that.  I can't be too sure.....
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #16 - Jan 26th, 2014 at 11:23pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 26th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
islam perfectly fits the beast's description:

Slaughtering Jews and Christians, intolerant, oppressive, blasphemes against YHWH/I AM/Jesus Christ, beheads people etc.etc.


Indeed moses! While the whole 666 gematria thing is more anecdotal, Islam as the "beast" of Revelation 13, is the most hermeneutically sound conclusion that can be drawn.

Daniel defined the term "beast" for us as a kingdom, when he described the figures of lion, bear, leopard and 4th "terrible" "beast" in the figurative language of his prophetic dream.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/daniels_four_beasts.htm

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth....

So BEAST = KINGDOM

Daniel 7:4  The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings...
Daniel 7:5  And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear...
Daniel 7:6  After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard...
Daniel 7:7  After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly...

Jews and Christians widely understand those figures to have been the succession of the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and the Roman Empire, because he did such a stunning job of describing those kingdoms that were to unfold in a succession in his future. This was a succession of satanically led kingdoms that oppressed Yahweh's people. The volume of sites in a web search of - "babylon, medo-persia, greece" - even in quotes, reveals this widely held understanding.
https://www.google.com/#q=%22babylon%2C+medo-persia%2C+greece%22

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So when we find the term "beast", used again in the context of the figurative language of John's prophetic vision in Revelation, we have no compelling reason to arbitrarily change the definition.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and
his seat
, and great authority.
(Daniel assigned the masculine gender to his kingdom "beast" as well)

Not only is the term "beast" used, but John's vision uses the very same figures that Daniel used, when describing the composite beast in his prophetic dream!

The kingdoms that today occupy the same "seats" as the ancient kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece, are Iraq, Iran and Syria-Lebanon. The composite satanically led kingdom "beast" and final foe of Yahweh's people.

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Now while these countries may not be on the same exact same page, even to the extent that Sunnis and Shiites murder each others innocents, these countries are perfectly and absolutely unified as one kingdom through THE false prophet Muhammad and his Quran:
http://www.christianeschatology.com/historicism.htm#the_false_prophet

They are all perfectly united in the spirit of ANTICHRIST.

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm

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Above is a picture of the prophet John's "whole world". So when we consider John's "whole world" through an ethnographic hermeneutic - the whole world through John's eyes in the 1st century - we find that except for the tiny little strip of land that Yahweh gave His people through an everlasting covenant, John's "whole world" carries the name of the beast.
The "mark of the beast" may well be a fulfilled prophecy!


Strong's: world
New Testament Greek Definition:
3625 oikoumene {oy-kou-men'-ay}
1) the inhabited earth
1a) the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in
distinction from the lands of the barbarians
1b) the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire

We read in Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
or
the name
of the beast {Islam - Muslim}, or the number {666} of his name.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/historicism.htm#mark_of_the_beast

We can see from the "or" that being marked by
the name
of the beast - Islam - is all that is necessary for fulfillment.
But consider even the false prophet Muhammad's followers foreheads, and how they are perfectly united with their foreheads to the ground (in a more anecdotal fulfillment):

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Consider the succession of John's 8 "beasts":
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/johns_eight_beasts.htm

Here's a verse by verse of Revelation 13:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/leopard_bear_lion_beast.htm

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


The "church" should be desperately trying to bring the message to these poor deluded souls, that their time may well be running out. But unfortunately in the 19th-20th centuries the church abandoned the traditional historicist approach to apocalyptic prophecy.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/
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Reply #17 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 12:45am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 26th, 2014 at 10:35pm:
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It's one thing to think it evil, quite another to think that they will kick-start the apocalypse


Actually, Islam itself predicts this. Check out some of the crap that Muhammed spews about end times. It's basically Muslims killing non-Muslims. Muslims killing Muslims. All in a fight over money. It's actually kind of prophetic, except that it in reality it never ends.


Astute observation. Though the Quran suggests what you point out, there is no true prophecy in the Quran since it is mainly an expression of Muhammad's overactive and self-serving imagination. However Bible prophecy does detail what you suggest, while the subject is a lot broader than only money and instead includes everything of the flesh of this physical world, and pure blasphemy against the kingdom of God in the spiritual world.

Bukhari B34 #425: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

In other words, Jesus is supposed to come back and reject the whole subject of the Gospel, and the whole purpose that the Messiah - the Lamb of God - was made manifest to the world to accomplish!
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

The kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall.

Those of us that are saved, are specifically called out of the carnal kingdoms of this world, and are in the kingdom of God. United through the Holy Spirit, as the temple of God. Indeed the Koine Greek term "ecclesia" (that got perverted into the word "church") means "assembly of the called out".

We can see it is not only money that is the subject, but consolidation of Satan's kingdoms under Islam ("all mountaintops" as Ahmadinejad put it), and subjugation of all people therein, to the false prophet Muhammad's followers. Islam is Satan's imperialistic power in this physical world. Muhammad's followers are commanded by the false prophet Muhammad to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all mankind to DISbelieving the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel and REJECTING the shed blood of the Messiah, while DENYING and even blaspheming the Son of God,
as articles of faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

Through the "terror" and "slaughter" of the imperialism of Islamic Jihad:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Islam is ANTICHRIST:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

It will help to consider this in the context of the prior post.
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Reply #18 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 10:07am
 
At this point in time, I believe islam is most definitely a major part of the beast in the end times. 

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Revelations 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


muslims love beheading people, especially Jews and Christians, for not accepting islam.
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Reply #19 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 11:24am
 
moses wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 10:07am:
At this point in time, I believe islam is most definitely a major part of the beast in the end times.


What would the other part of the beast be? A different kingdom?
Please take a minute when you get a chance, and consider this traditional approach to prophecy, entirely on its own merit.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/historicism.htm
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Reply #20 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 2:42pm
 
The conglomeration of islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an is one evil entity.

Already supported by muslim apologists, atheists who are not neutral in their belief but very much anti-Christian / Jew and markedly  pro islam, leftwingers who hate the West and Christianity. Christian churches which believe in unity / interfaith  prayer meetings (muslims and Christians worship the one god under a different name) they are trying to worship allah / satan and YHWH /Jesus Christ / Holy Ghost at the exact same time.

As I see it all of these have accepted / submitted to the beast.

Making the beast that will slaughter the faithful, a mixture of islam and it's various patronisers 
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Reply #21 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 3:24pm
 
Maybe it was Nero's Roman Empire?  Maybe it was (or is) the Pope's Catholic Church?  Maybe it's the Secular UN? 

Weren't there a bunch of people recently who thought it was Barrack Obama?



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Reply #22 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:19pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 2:42pm:
The conglomeration of islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an is one evil entity.

Already supported by muslim apologists, atheists who are not neutral in their belief but very much anti-Christian / Jew and markedly  pro islam, leftwingers who hate the West and Christianity. Christian churches which believe in unity / interfaith  prayer meetings (muslims and Christians worship the one god under a different name) they are trying to worship allah / satan and YHWH /Jesus Christ / Holy Ghost at the exact same time.

As I see it all of these have accepted / submitted to the beast.

Making the beast that will slaughter the faithful, a mixture of islam and it's various patronisers 



Still at the end of the day, christianity is a false religion, a religion full of mistakes, contradictions, errors, ommissions,  and so forth.

No wonder there are hundreds of aussie women converting to islam, christinaity doesn't make sense.

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Reply #23 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:21pm
 
wally1 wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:19pm:
moses wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 2:42pm:
The conglomeration of islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an is one evil entity.

Already supported by muslim apologists, atheists who are not neutral in their belief but very much anti-Christian / Jew and markedly  pro islam, leftwingers who hate the West and Christianity. Christian churches which believe in unity / interfaith  prayer meetings (muslims and Christians worship the one god under a different name) they are trying to worship allah / satan and YHWH /Jesus Christ / Holy Ghost at the exact same time.

As I see it all of these have accepted / submitted to the beast.

Making the beast that will slaughter the faithful, a mixture of islam and it's various patronisers 



Still at the end of the day, christianity is a false religion, a religion full of mistakes, contradictions, errors, ommissions,  and so forth.

No wonder there are hundreds of aussie women converting to islam, christinaity doesn't make sense.

http://i.imgur.com/B6zMnbs.jpg
Islam is a disease ripping the world apart!!!
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Reply #24 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:55pm
 
Christians do nothing for humanity.

Oops my mistake, all they do is convert poor African muslims to christ. That's the best they can do, convert the poor illiterate Africans, cause they wouldn't try in any part of the world.


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Reply #25 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:40pm
 
wally1 wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:55pm:
Christians do nothing for humanity.

Oops my mistake, all they do is convert poor African muslims to christ. That's the best they can do, convert the poor illiterate Africans, cause they wouldn't try in any part of the world.


http://i.imgur.com/ogX5MI1.jpg
Plenty of inventions, medicine, charity etc etc come out of the Christian world. All that comes out of the Islamic world is destruction. That's the thing muslims are good out- levelling things and covering female faces.
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Reply #26 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:47pm
 
Sparky wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:40pm:
wally1 wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:55pm:
Christians do nothing for humanity.

Oops my mistake, all they do is convert poor African muslims to christ. That's the best they can do, convert the poor illiterate Africans, cause they wouldn't try in any part of the world.


http://i.imgur.com/ogX5MI1.jpg
Plenty of inventions, medicine, charity etc etc come out of the Christian world. All that comes out of the Islamic world is destruction. That's the thing muslims are good out- levelling things and covering female faces.


I sure hope you don't drink coffee
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Reply #27 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:51pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:47pm:
Sparky wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:40pm:
wally1 wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 5:55pm:
Christians do nothing for humanity.

Oops my mistake, all they do is convert poor African muslims to christ. That's the best they can do, convert the poor illiterate Africans, cause they wouldn't try in any part of the world.


http://i.imgur.com/ogX5MI1.jpg
Plenty of inventions, medicine, charity etc etc come out of the Christian world. All that comes out of the Islamic world is destruction. That's the thing muslims are good out- levelling things and covering female faces.


I sure hope you don't drink coffee
Nope. Coffee vs mass crop production techniques. Coffee vs medical techniques. Coffee vs penicillin. Coffee vs ...........
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Reply #28 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:57pm
 
The teaching hospital was an invention of the Islamic world, happy with that?
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Reply #29 - Jan 27th, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
The teaching hospital was an invention of the Islamic world, happy with that?
A teaching hospital?? You don't have to defend Islam stratos. I don't believe in religion but I sure can identify  an utter disease of a religion when I see one. I dislike them all but particularly this mental disease. The war and destruction  it creates is just never ending.
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