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What exactly did they pledge? That Muhammed could openly threaten with death and mock their religion, and they would stand by him while he did so?

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Yes Gandalf. That is how he gained genuine control. He expelled the first two tribes of Jews and killed the third. Then he built a religion around blaming the Jews for their own death.

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So killing and expelling everyone who stood in his way proves that no-one disputed his rule and he was not merely trying to "muscle his way" into power?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:


What kind of nonsense it that? Hitler and Polpot were heads of states - Muhammad was not. Do you praise Hitler and Polpot, because they were heads of states too?

But let me get this straight. You are saying that Muhammad putting together a couple of lazy caravan plundering thoroughly reprobate bandit tribes, to accomplish the mass murder of 600-900 Jews, and rape of their women and and children and theft of their property, is something Muhammad should be praised for as a good thing? What state did he have? It was a mob of marauding, caravan plundering, little boy beheading, little girl raping mass murdering thieves.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:


That is, fellow mass murdering rapist thieves.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:


Indeed. Many of his followers abandoned him after he told his preposterous story about riding around on a flying donkey mule. He was basically laughed out of Mecca, and skulked off with his tail between his legs, shortly after telling that tall tale.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:


Sure. Everybody democratically elected Muhammad head of the city! Maybe they even gave him a key to the city! Yea, like dat, like dat!
Grow up gand. Muhammad put together two territorial bandit tribes, through the promise of easy riches and all the women they could rape.

Ishaq:204/ Tabari VI:134 "'Men of the Khazraj, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man.' 'Yes,' they answered. 'In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging ourselves to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:475 ".....We obeyed our Prophet's orders when he called us to war. When he called for violent efforts we made them. The Prophet's command is obeyed for he is truly believed. He will give us victory, glory, and a life of ease.

Muhammad the whole time taking his 1/5 cut of the "booty" just like a Mafia Don.

Ishaq:465 "Then the Apostle divided the property, wives, and children of the Qurayza among the Muslims. Allah's Messenger took his fifth of the booty.

He and his fellow cutthroats murdered their way into seizing first the Arabian peninsula, and then nearly the whole known world up into France and Austria, through imperialistic aggression and conquest.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#islamic_first_ji...

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:


So why do muslims say Mohammad migrated to Medina?

He came back and conquered Mecca, did he destroy and outlaw all other Gods to create the first religious dictatorship in Mecca?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 9:26pm:


They lie about Muhammad getting rid of all the idols, even as they prostrate and pray toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do" in the names of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.

They are even compelled to travel to the pagan's black stone idol and kaaba, and march around it, as the Arabian pagans did in moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship before Muhammad was ever born.
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm

Even kiss the pagan's black stone idol, while freely admitting that they only reason they do, is because Muhammad did. Yet at the same time they don't get that is the sole reason they do and believe everything related to Islam. Because Muhammad did it, or commanded his followers to do it. Including to DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/42553621_mashaalap416.jpg

Yet there is not a shred of historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants from Yemen settled the area in about the 4th century AD. No Muslim in here can or even tried to deny that fact. This even as other ancient Arabian towns are well attested in the historical and archaeological records.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:53pm:


No Muhammad maintained their religion to be inclusive. Those two tribes were heavily into Arabian jinn-devil worship. Idols of Asaf an Naelah, the most venerated priest and pristess of the Arabian jinn religion, were placed on the hills of al-Asafa and al-Marwah. The jinn-devil worshipers compassed the hills 7 times in ritual worship.
I wonder if that ritual sounds familiar to gand?
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:50pm:


Through the power of the sword. Muhammad attacked the literate, peaceful, faithful, hard working farming community of the Banu Qurayza, because they were everything he was not. He slaughtered the post-pubescent boys, their dads and grandpas, who never struck a blow. Then he and his boys raped & enslaved their little sisters, moms and grandmothers, and stole the fruit of their labor of generations.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:50pm:


Or the "schmuck" little girls that got raped by them, eigh?
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1...

I very much appreciate your increasingly wearing the condition of your heart right out there on your sleeve gand.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:50pm:


That's a modern day lie of rewritten Islamic history.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_banu_qurayza.htm

The reason is because they refused to recognize Muhammad as a prophet, because they knew from their books that he couldn't possibly be. The same reason non-Muslims are being murdered all around the world today.

Ishaq:461 "After the siege exhausted and terrorized them, the Jews felt certain that the Apostle would not leave them until he had exterminated them. So they decided to talk to Ka'b Asad. He said, 'People of the Jews, you see what has befallen you. I shall propose three alternatives. Take whichever one you please.' He said, 'Swear allegiance to this man and accept him; for, by Allah, it has become clear to you that he is a prophet sent from Allah. It is he that you used to find mentioned in your scripture book. Then you will be secure in your lives, your property, your children, and your wives.'"

Yahweh's people well understood that following the false prophet Mohammed, would result in a death sentence in the hereafter. They were more than willing to sacrifice their temporal lives in this world rather than abandon our great God Yahweh.

Ishaq:462/Tabari VIII:30 "The Jews said, 'We will never abandon the Torah or exchange it for the Qur'an.' Asad said, 'Since you reject this proposal of mine, then kill your children and your wives and go out to Muhammad and his Companions as men who brandish swords, leaving behind no impediments to worry you. If you die, you shall have left nothing behind; if you win you shall find other women and children.' The Jews replied, 'Why would we kill these poor ones? What would be the good of living after them?'"
http://www.brotherpete.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."

Abu Dawud 38:4390 Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:50pm:


The only "strong backing" for the imperialistic aggression, mass murder, prisoner rape and thievery of Islam has ever been, by Satan himself, through the power of the sword. The EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of peace. The "sword of the Spirit" - the Word of God.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 10:50pm:


This is the food you should be thinking about gand:

1Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/

Man does not live by stool alone, but by the very word of Gud.