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Reply #210 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am
 
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I have shown you multiple contradictions in your story - it took you 3 or 4 replies to finally understand that Muhammad didn't broker the peace after he started expelling and slaughtering jews as you kept trying to claim. Just simple historical facts here FD.


I never claimed he did. But he did not achieve actual peace in Medina until he expelled the first two Jewish tribes and slaughtered the third. There was something getting in the way of peaceful co-existence. It may have been Muhammed himself preaching anti-Jewish propaganda in the streets and demanding the Jews convert.

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Gee thats great FD - I ask for evidence for a particular genocide of Meccans, and you give me a link about expulsions and killing of jews. Since you are such a connoisseur of wikipedia, why don't you look it up and see if you can find this mysterious Meccan genocide. Actually, save yourself the trouble, because you won't find it, because it didn't exist. When Muhammad conquered Mecca, there were exactly 12 Meccans killed. Probably fewer than that were killed in the raids he conducted on Meccan caravans before that. There was no "genocide" of Meccans like you claimed.


This is from the paragraph I linked to. You would have had to read fewer words than your rambling response to get to it:

Muhammed "prophesied" the ethnic cleansing of all non-Muslims from the Arabian peninsula by his second successor Umar. He told Umar of this prediction in person. Umar partially fulfilled this prophesy, expelling all non-Muslims from the Hijaz area. Of course, all the non-Muslims brought this upon themselves by breaking covenants with Muhammed, and the harsh punishment was necessitated by the dire threats posed by the Jews and others to the Islamic state, and by the hostility of the Pagans. [118] [119] Muslims will also attempt to pass this off as 'voluntary' conversion to Islam by every single pagan on the peninsula. [120] Christians were also expelled as collective punishment, resulting in the population of a large area (around modern day Saudi Arabia) becoming 100% Muslim. [121] Geopolitical strategy is cited as an excuse for forced relocation from the Arabian peninsula, and Muslims consider that the people involved were lucky not to meet a worse fate. [122] Muhammed used pillage and murder as a form of punishment. Muslims justify Muhammed 'putting down' people by citing later examples where non-Muslims were the perpetrators. [123][124] Muslims will attempt to derail discussing of collective punishment under Muhammed into a debate about the meaning of the term, without offering an alternative meaning. [125]

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As I said, there were about a dozen jewish tribes that remained in Medina until long after Muhammad's death.


There were three powerful Jewish tribes. Muhammed got rid of all of them, because they didn't fit in with his megalomaniac agenda. He was seeking power, and was deluded enough to think the Jews would hand it to him on a platter because he politely informed them that he was their prophet. They didn't. The lucky ones escaped with their life. That Muhammed left the insignificant tribes alone does not exactly discredit this.

How long after his death did it take before the Muslims got rid of the rest of them?
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Reply #211 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 4:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:53am:
This is from the paragraph I linked to. You would have had to read fewer words than your rambling response to get to it:


err.. as I said - a link about expulsions and killing of jews.

Do you know what genocide means? Where was the great Meccan genocide? (hint: nowhere in the wiki passage you linked).
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Reply #212 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 5:38pm
 
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err.. as I said - a link about expulsions and killing of jews.


Jews, Christians, and Pagans. The word Pagan is mentioned twice within the text I pasted. Much of the discussion in the links is around pagans, and I think it was pagans specifically that Muhammed prophesied would be eradicated.
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Reply #213 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:17pm
 
There is no reference to a genocide of Meccans. Are you retracting the claim?
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Reply #214 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:34pm
 
That is where it happened.
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Reply #215 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 8:03pm
 
Where FD?

I know you make sh!t up in your wiki, but not even there did you mention it. The word genocide is not even mentioned.The only massacre mentioned is of jews.

Did you get the part about the conquest of Mecca resulting in only 12 people? Is that the genocide you are talking about? Help me out here FD.
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Reply #216 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 9:23pm
 
Ah I see. Genocide vs ethnic cleansing. That is what you are getting upset about? Isn't it you who initially brought up the "g word"?
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Reply #217 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 9:23pm:
Isn't it you who initially brought up the "g word"?


No, you came up with the claim about a Meccan genocide.
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Reply #218 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:22pm
 
This is the earliest reference I can find to it.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 9:49am:
yes very simple FD. Except a little while ago you were screaming about how he wasn't a hit with the pagans, and that he slaughtered them all. I think you even mentioned the "g" word (with no evidence of course). Maybe this is like the non-existent slaughter of Meccans you mentioned above. Next week you'll probably be talking about how much of a hit he was with the Meccans (which he was).


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Reply #219 - Mar 2nd, 2014 at 10:36pm
 
correction: you came up with the claim about a Meccan slaughter:

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He did this by expelling and/or slaughtering all three Jewish tribes so he could turn it into a Muslim stronghold from which to rob and eventually slaughter the Meccans.


Which "slaughter" of the Meccans are you referring to?
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Reply #220 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:21pm
 
Please hold while I gloat for 3 pages about catching you out.
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Reply #221 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:48pm
 
my you are desperate FD, if that is worth gloating over.

Shall I gloat over catching you out fabricating a non-existent "slaughter" of Meccans?
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