Quote:I have shown you multiple contradictions in your story - it took you 3 or 4 replies to finally understand that Muhammad didn't broker the peace after he started expelling and slaughtering jews as you kept trying to claim. Just simple historical facts here FD.
I never claimed he did. But he did not achieve actual peace in Medina until he expelled the first two Jewish tribes and slaughtered the third. There was something getting in the way of peaceful co-existence. It may have been Muhammed himself preaching anti-Jewish propaganda in the streets and demanding the Jews convert.
Quote:Gee thats great FD - I ask for evidence for a particular genocide of Meccans, and you give me a link about expulsions and killing of jews. Since you are such a connoisseur of wikipedia, why don't you look it up and see if you can find this mysterious Meccan genocide. Actually, save yourself the trouble, because you won't find it, because it didn't exist. When Muhammad conquered Mecca, there were exactly 12 Meccans killed. Probably fewer than that were killed in the raids he conducted on Meccan caravans before that. There was no "genocide" of Meccans like you claimed.
This is from the paragraph I linked to. You would have had to read fewer words than your rambling response to get to it:
Muhammed "prophesied" the ethnic cleansing of all non-Muslims from the Arabian peninsula by his second successor Umar. He told Umar of this prediction in person. Umar partially fulfilled this prophesy, expelling all non-Muslims from the Hijaz area. Of course, all the non-Muslims brought this upon themselves by breaking covenants with Muhammed, and the harsh punishment was necessitated by the dire threats posed by the Jews and others to the Islamic state, and by the hostility of the Pagans. [118] [119] Muslims will also attempt to pass this off as 'voluntary' conversion to Islam by every single pagan on the peninsula. [120] Christians were also expelled as collective punishment, resulting in the population of a large area (around modern day Saudi Arabia) becoming 100% Muslim. [121] Geopolitical strategy is cited as an excuse for forced relocation from the Arabian peninsula, and Muslims consider that the people involved were lucky not to meet a worse fate. [122] Muhammed used pillage and murder as a form of punishment. Muslims justify Muhammed 'putting down' people by citing later examples where non-Muslims were the perpetrators. [123][124] Muslims will attempt to derail discussing of collective punishment under Muhammed into a debate about the meaning of the term, without offering an alternative meaning. [125] Quote:As I said, there were about a dozen jewish tribes that remained in Medina until long after Muhammad's death.
There were three powerful Jewish tribes. Muhammed got rid of all of them, because they didn't fit in with his megalomaniac agenda. He was seeking power, and was deluded enough to think the Jews would hand it to him on a platter because he politely informed them that he was their prophet. They didn't. The lucky ones escaped with their life. That Muhammed left the insignificant tribes alone does not exactly discredit this.
How long after his death did it take before the Muslims got rid of the rest of them?
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