moses wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 4:26pm:


In spite of the adversity that the Muhammadans are putting them through.

Let's compare the "People of the Book" as Muslims refer to Jews, to Muhammad's followers, in terms of Nobel Prizes, to get a little better understanding of how Jews have indeed been a blessing on "all families of the earth" while Muhammad's true followers have, on average, been the exact opposite.

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1.5 billion, or about 25% of the world's population.  They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics: (zero)

Physics: (zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar

Chemistry:
1999 - Ahmed Hassan Zewail

TOTAL 6, with half of them for awarded for so-called "peace", even including one to the Islamist terrorist Yasar Arafat!

The main reason is the anti-intellectualism of islam. However Muslim inbreeding is also a factor.  As Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist points out, that because of Muslim inbreeding:
“the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.” He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.
In the last 1,200 years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book."

On the other hand, the Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or only about 2/10 of 1% of the world's population, yet they compose 22% of all individual recipients of Nobel Prizes worldwide, between 1901 and 2009 including:

Literature: 10

Peace: 8

Physics: 53

Economics: 13

Medicine: 43

Chemistry: 24

TOTAL: 151

From Wikipedia: "Science and technology in Israel is one of the country's most developed sectors. The percentage of Israelis engaged in scientific and technological inquiry, and the amount spent on research and development (R&D) in relation to gross domestic product (GDP), is amongst the highest in the world.[44] Israel ranks fourth in the world in scientific activity, as measured by the number of scientific publications per million citizens. Israel's percentage of the total number of scientific articles published worldwide is almost 10 times higher than its percentage of the world's population.[45]

Israeli scientists have contributed to the advancement of agriculture, computer sciences, electronics, genetics, medicine, optics, solar energy and various fields of engineering. Israel is home to major players in the high-tech industry and has one of the world's most technologically-literate populations.[46] In 1998, Tel Aviv was named by Newsweek as one of the ten most technologically-influential cities in the world.[47]"

There are only two sides in conflict. That of the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination offered by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State VS the promise of just another Middle East, totalitarian, oppressive, sharia law ruled, little girl circumcising, multiple wife and concubine beating, Christian and Jew beheading, "apostate" murdering, Islamic slave state.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_and_jews.htm

moses wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:


Except those that they took off the map of course.  How many genocides was it?  6?  I know there were six from that one passage.  There are more though.

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:


Seriously.  no wait. am i having a stroke or something.

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:


Nope.  Yadda just said that.  what.

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:


And gand has already conceded that it was a merciful act by YHWH, to bring all of the innocents like infants that were killed, to Himself, who were thus precluded from being indoctrinated into the abominations of their parents - such as ritualistic prostitution, pedophilia, bestiality and even sacrifice of children to idols - and thus being separated from God forever.

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:


There was nothing to "revive". The historical record of scripture, regarding those specific historical events, were exactly that. Period. Nowhere did Yahweh offer any kind of open license for His people to go out and conquer others and subjugate them to Judaism.

Muhammad isn't alone in pretending his reprobate behavior was ordained by God, as the Roman Church's murder of Jews, Muslims AND CHRISTIANS, while feigning justification through the scriptures, attests.

As Don Richardson reports in "Secrets of the Koran", "By Muhammad's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."
http://www.brotherpete.com/old_testament_violence.htm

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:


Islam is the perfect opposite of Christianity. As the negative is to a photograph.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

Gandalf, where exactly do the old and new testaments fit in with Islam?  I know they believe them to have been corrupted from their original script, but how is it decided what is relevant? and what isn't?

Stratos wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

So the same argument cannot be made, as you proposed.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:30pm:


It seems to me the only way a Christian could "reject" the aggressive state (ie God) sanctioned violence against the Canaanites that was reported in the OT, is to reject the authenticity of the report, and thereby reject it as part of christian doctrine. I have asked Yadda specifically if he believed the author who stated "spare none who breathe" might have misheard/misunderstood God's command - but not surprisingly he doesn't. Pete ran his usual "isn't it wonderful those babies were hacked to death and received God's mercy" line just a couple of posts up from this.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:30pm:


No, and before you construct another strawman, here's a quick quiz for you:

1. Of the three Abrahamic religions, which ones believe in the permissibility of a "just war"?

A = all three.

2. Of the three Abrahamic religions, which ones' holy book justifies the genocide (men, women and children) of an entire population as a morally upright thing to do?

A= Judaism and christianity

Read into that what you will, but I merely point out these two facts to counter your claim that christianity and judaism reject that sort of aggressive state-sponsored violence, and only Muhammad revived it. While christianity was strongly pacifist in its formative years, the "revival" of state-sanctioned war happened centuries before Muhammad's time. Emperor Constantine in the early 300s stated that to forbid "the state the right to go to war was to condemn it to extinction". Christians have been flat out coming up with doctrinal justifications for war ever since.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:30pm:


You base this entirely on what you (mistakenly) think you know about Muhammad's activities, not what Islam actually teaches.

There is no doctrine of rape and pillage and aggressive war anywhere in Islam's holy book - thats the point. Quite the opposite - the Quran strictly forbids any warfare that is not defensive, and commands restraint in the conduct of warfare.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 2:42pm:




Only the Judaism and Christianity holy books justify genocide - against disbelievers ?

Oh really ?








ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

gandalf,

Doesn't this dissertation [above] from ISLAMIC law suggest a policy of religiously justified genocide is approved by ISLAM ?







Quote:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/8080-computers-worth-18-million-paid-for-by-am...

INFO sourced from...
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/razzia-or-ghazwa-muslim-raids-of-rape.html








According to Allah, as per ISLAM's foundation texts, the Koran, and the Hadith....

"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44

"And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27

No ISLAMIC militaristic expansionism being encouraged there [above] ?




Here, the words of Mohammed, speaking to Arabian Jews, about their property, and the consequence for rejecting ISLAM...

"You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.053.392




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gandalf,

Unlike the doctrine of violence and genocide which is justified by ISLAM, against 'disbelievers'....


THERE IS NO SANCTION IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

.....TO EITHER KILL PEOPLE, OR TO DESTROY NATIONS OF PEOPLE, ON THE BASIS OF THEIR DISBELIEF IN YAHWEH.




Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19

For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:

for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18  But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...