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Reply #15 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:25am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!


You can actually earn more driving a garbage truck than working as an aged care nurse. If you don't believe me, check for yourself.
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Re: ACTU Has Lashed Work For Dole Program.
Reply #16 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:27am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:19am:
It doesn’t need a link ol’ fella, just use your brain.

Travel to where you have to do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Travel back home.

No time to look through paper for jobs, not in fit state to go to job interviews after doing menial, meaningless, degrading work.

Etc.

After a while menial, meaningless, degrading work has degraded you that all you want to do is sit at home chugging longnecks.

See previous WftD schemes if you are too stupid to work it out yourself.

I have also employed someone who was looking for work, required courses were basic, useless and disrupted by those bored out of their mind by the useless courses. Picking up rubbish—you REALLY trying to say that makes you more fit for work???




So no link then?


So according to your own standards, no link = total bullsh1t


I think we'll leave it at that shall we?


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Re: ACTU Has Lashed Work For Dole Program.
Reply #17 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:27am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 7:01am:
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Past experience shows that work-for-the-dole programs do not help people get jobs. Under the previous Coalition government's scheme, only about one in three participants were still employed three months after the program," she said.      

"The money would be far better invested in programs which we know work ... like Wage Connect [which provides a subsidy for employers who employ long-term unemployed job seekers on a continuing basis].

''Nearly half the participants in Wage Connect were in paid employment at the end of the six-month program."

Labor employment spokesman Brendan O'Connor blasted Mr Hartsuyker on Monday for what he described as a ''rehashed election announcement''.

Mr O'Connor said it was alarming that after almost five months in government, the Coalition could not provide any details of its policy.

"Where are the concrete details when it comes to this expanded work-for-the-dole scheme? How much will it cost, how will it work and how many people will be involved?''

The employment spokesman told Fairfax Media that not only was the Coalition's idea ''not new, the evidence suggests it doesn't work''.      Sad

"People on Newstart and other income support payments already have strict requirements to make sure they are looking for work or studying, and there are penalties for failing to meet those requirements. This is about the government trying to get a good headline – they aren't helping a single person into a good, stable job."

Shadow assistant treasurer Andrew Leigh argued that work-for-the-dole had been proven to be ineffective.

''The challenge with work-for-the-dole is what the evidence says,'' he says.

He pointed to a 2004 Melbourne University study of work-for-the-dole, which found the program had a ''large and significant adverse effect on the likelihood of exiting unemployment payments''.

The study suggested that those on work for the dole were hampered by a ''lock-in effect,'' which reduced the time they spent looking for paid work.   Sad   

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/focus-on-young-jobless-in-abbott-governments-enhanced-work-for-the-dole-20140127-31hts.html#ixzz2rdKM1Bcm


If even just a handful of people find employment through this program, it's a win. It's also better than sitting at home chugging down longnecks all day.

You are being an idiot on this...  most people on the dole can't afford to chug longnecks and haven't the time to sit around all day due to the onus of responsibility to prove they are looking for work.
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Re: ACTU Has Lashed Work For Dole Program.
Reply #18 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:29am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:25am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!


You can actually earn more driving a garbage truck than working as an aged care nurse. If you don't believe me, check for yourself.

We all know cleaning parks does not involve driving a garbage truck.  it involves gloves, steel capped boots, and sharp pointed sticks for picking up crap.  The already employed council worker drives the truck or any equipment.
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Re: ACTU Has Lashed Work For Dole Program.
Reply #19 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:30am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!



Marvellous sense of achievement in creating beautiful litter free areas. People spend a lot of their free time creating beautiful gardens. Think of the joy of cleaning up a park and the satisfaction of "a job well done"
Whilst picking up litter in the park, there is an opportunity to work on physical fitness.
Perhaps someone picnicing in the park is an employer who will be impressed by the dole collectors "whistling smiling happy enthusiasm'

Why are people so negative....negatitivity is how you end up on the dole in the first place. it is a downhill spiral.  Shame on you george
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Re: ACTU Has Lashed Work For Dole Program.
Reply #20 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:31am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!



I wonder whos picked after you all these years comrade..

what a snob..

if I was getting paid to do it..I would be fine with that..

much more rewarding than picking someones dirty socks up off the floor every day for bugger all.

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Re: ACTU Has Lashed Work For Dole Program.
Reply #21 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:32am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:27am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:19am:
It doesn’t need a link ol’ fella, just use your brain.

Travel to where you have to do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Travel back home.

No time to look through paper for jobs, not in fit state to go to job interviews after doing menial, meaningless, degrading work.

Etc.

After a while menial, meaningless, degrading work has degraded you that all you want to do is sit at home chugging longnecks.

See previous WftD schemes if you are too stupid to work it out yourself.

I have also employed someone who was looking for work, required courses were basic, useless and disrupted by those bored out of their mind by the useless courses. Picking up rubbish—you REALLY trying to say that makes you more fit for work???




So no link then?


So according to your own standards, no link = total bullsh1t


I think we'll leave it at that shall we?

So you never provide links and you can’t apply a bit of commonsense?

I think we'll leave it at that shall we?
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Re: ACTU Has Lashed Work For Dole Program.
Reply #22 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:32am
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:25am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!


You can actually earn more driving a garbage truck than working as an aged care nurse. If you don't believe me, check for yourself.

We all know cleaning parks does not involve driving a garbage truck.  it involves gloves, steel capped boots, and sharp pointed sticks for picking up crap.  The already employed council worker drives the truck or any equipment.




what the hell is wron g with picking up crap that has been dropped by the likes of you in the first place??>.

what arrogance what rubbish.. sic... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #23 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:34am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:30am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!



Marvellous sense of achievement in creating beautiful litter free areas. People spend a lot of their free time creating beautiful gardens. Think of the joy of cleaning up a park and the satisfaction of "a job well done"
Whilst picking up litter in the park, there is an opportunity to work on physical fitness.
Perhaps someone picnicing in the park is an employer who will be impressed by the dole collectors "whistling smiling happy enthusiasm'

Why are people so negative....negatitivity is how you end up on the dole in the first place. it is a downhill spiral.  Shame on you george



but that has always b een the left way of thinking..

we are too good to pick up rubbish....shock horror.. better to be in the pub lifting a full glass instead.

or brothels dont sound bad Wink Wink

anything but work for the dole.
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Reply #24 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:35am
 
cods wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:32am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:25am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!


You can actually earn more driving a garbage truck than working as an aged care nurse. If you don't believe me, check for yourself.

We all know cleaning parks does not involve driving a garbage truck.  it involves gloves, steel capped boots, and sharp pointed sticks for picking up crap.  The already employed council worker drives the truck or any equipment.




what the hell is wron g with picking up crap that has been dropped by the likes of you in the first place??>.

what arrogance what rubbish.. sic... Smiley Smiley

If you had a brain I would suggest you use it.

This whole WftD is just a deflection for the huge unemployment the Libs will cause.

The real drain on the Budget are tax expenditures that generally only the very rich can receive.
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Reply #25 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:37am
 
“anything but work for the dole.”

Listen you brainless twat—most unemployed want PAID WORK! Paid work is what raises self esteem!
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Reply #26 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:42am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:37am:
“anything but work for the dole.”

Listen you brainless twat—most unemployed want PAID WORK! Paid work is what raises self esteem!

Most people want work!
Most people want to have a life!

This is so true Monk.
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Reply #27 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:45am
 
cods wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:30am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!



Marvellous sense of achievement in creating beautiful litter free areas. People spend a lot of their free time creating beautiful gardens. Think of the joy of cleaning up a park and the satisfaction of "a job well done"
Whilst picking up litter in the park, there is an opportunity to work on physical fitness.
Perhaps someone picnicing in the park is an employer who will be impressed by the dole collectors "whistling smiling happy enthusiasm'

Why are people so negative....negatitivity is how you end up on the dole in the first place. it is a downhill spiral.  Shame on you george



but that has always b een the left way of thinking..

we are too good to pick up rubbish....shock horror.. better to be in the pub lifting a full glass instead.

or brothels dont sound bad Wink Wink

anything but work for the dole.

If you want people to pick up rubbish cods then give them a job and pay them the appropriate wage.
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Reply #28 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:53am
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:45am:
cods wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:34am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:30am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:23am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:21am:
Sheer lunacy not to have every unemployed person under the age of 45 doing something to

1  contribute back and thus feel incorporated in society
2  raise their sense of self esteem
3  meet new friends as they share in the joy of work
4  meet new contacts which is where 95 % of people find their work contact.

only an absolute clown would not be 110 % behind this wonderful initiative. Wink

Picking up rubbish is SO uplifting of self esteem, FMD!



Marvellous sense of achievement in creating beautiful litter free areas. People spend a lot of their free time creating beautiful gardens. Think of the joy of cleaning up a park and the satisfaction of "a job well done"
Whilst picking up litter in the park, there is an opportunity to work on physical fitness.
Perhaps someone picnicing in the park is an employer who will be impressed by the dole collectors "whistling smiling happy enthusiasm'

Why are people so negative....negatitivity is how you end up on the dole in the first place. it is a downhill spiral.  Shame on you george



but that has always b een the left way of thinking..

we are too good to pick up rubbish....shock horror.. better to be in the pub lifting a full glass instead.

or brothels dont sound bad Wink Wink

anything but work for the dole.

If you want people to pick up rubbish cods then give them a job and pay them the appropriate wage.


You mean like the car manufacturing workers who earn more than most school teachers who went to university for 4-5 years?
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Reply #29 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:54am
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:42am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:37am:
“anything but work for the dole.”

Listen you brainless twat—most unemployed want PAID WORK! Paid work is what raises self esteem!

Most people want work!
Most people want to have a life!

This is so true Monk.

I know there is a core of professional bludgers who do not want to work. (My experience as landlord on South Coast showed that.) They adapt to whatever regime is in place—but can be disruptive in courses others might want to benefit from, destroy any benefit others MIGHT get from WftD.  Extremely rich people bludging on the public purse cost the Budget a hell of a lot more than dole bludgers ($50Bn tax expenditure just from using temporary expenditure on super to reduce income tax, etc.)

Most people want to work, look after their family.
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