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Question: What purpose is WFD

NO purpose.    
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provide some training for the job    
  1 (6.2%)
helpful    
  0 (0.0%)
makes a good work ethic    
  4 (25.0%)




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Reply #30 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:57am
 
work is  a habit like physical fitness.
people who wish to remain fit for life need to keep at it and have fitness as a 'way of life"

in the same way , you should view a "work ethic'

seriously, its NOT punishment.

is it punishment to go to a gym and do a 1 hour class.  its "work' but it gives joy and fulfilment.

a work ethic is the same.  work at it and you will grow to love it.  I always pick up litter when i'm out walking or fishing at a beach. its joyful. look at the smiling faces on people on "clean up australia day"

whats wrong with the sour pusses on here.  seriously Wink
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Reply #31 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:00am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:27am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:19am:
It doesn’t need a link ol’ fella, just use your brain.

Travel to where you have to do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Travel back home.

No time to look through paper for jobs, not in fit state to go to job interviews after doing menial, meaningless, degrading work.

Etc.

After a while menial, meaningless, degrading work has degraded you that all you want to do is sit at home chugging longnecks.

See previous WftD schemes if you are too stupid to work it out yourself.

I have also employed someone who was looking for work, required courses were basic, useless and disrupted by those bored out of their mind by the useless courses. Picking up rubbish—you REALLY trying to say that makes you more fit for work???




So no link then?


So according to your own standards, no link = total bullsh1t


I think we'll leave it at that shall we?




all this abuse to the unemployed, and it comes from a person that's never been unemployed nor ever had to do a wfd program.

irvory towers of wealth you have no fn idea.
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Reply #34 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:07am
 
Just seven hundred odd more sleeps and this government is out for good.
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Reply #35 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:08am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:57am:
work is  a habit like physical fitness.
people who wish to remain fit for life need to keep at it and have fitness as a 'way of life"

in the same way , you should view a "work ethic'

seriously, its NOT punishment.

is it punishment to go to a gym and do a 1 hour class.  its "work' but it gives joy and fulfilment.

a work ethic is the same.  work at it and you will grow to love it.  I always pick up litter when i'm out walking or fishing at a beach. its joyful. look at the smiling faces on people on "clean up australia day"

whats wrong with the sour pusses on here.  seriously Wink


well if you want the unemployed to have a good "work ethic' well then provide a job that fits their skills and abilitys.

cleaning up or sorting garbage dosn't help anyones skills or abilitys.
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Reply #36 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:12am
 
Actually, I was on the dole for a few weeks. Yes, I got a comfortable loving from my employment and then my businesses, they involved hard work tho—work M–F then on weekend do building work.

I don’t abuse the unemployed. I state the fact (from personal experience as I explained) that a small core don’t want to work/don’t want to work hard and long enough to get off the dole. That small core aside, unemployed people want real, paid work. WftD just degrades the self esteem/self worth of unemployed people and makes it harder for them to find work. This has been explained here.

Apart from all that, WftD is a deflection by the stinking Libs from the huge unemployment they are about to cause and the fact the Budget can easily be returned to a surplus by removing tax expenditures that cost tens of billions of dollars every year and benefit only the very rich,
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Reply #37 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:13am
 
warrigal wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:08am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:57am:
work is  a habit like physical fitness.
people who wish to remain fit for life need to keep at it and have fitness as a 'way of life"

in the same way , you should view a "work ethic'

seriously, its NOT punishment.

is it punishment to go to a gym and do a 1 hour class.  its "work' but it gives joy and fulfilment.

a work ethic is the same.  work at it and you will grow to love it.  I always pick up litter when i'm out walking or fishing at a beach. its joyful. look at the smiling faces on people on "clean up australia day"

whats wrong with the sour pusses on here.  seriously Wink


well if you want the unemployed to have a good "work ethic' well then provide a job that fits their skills and abilitys.

cleaning up or sorting garbage dosn't help anyones skills or abilitys.


What if they don't have any skills or abilitIES??
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Reply #38 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:15am
 
warrigal wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:04am:
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You need to add a couple more options;

— Is the Libs playing to their base

— Is a deflection from the huge unemployment they are beginning to cause.
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Reply #39 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:15am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:13am:
warrigal wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:08am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:57am:
work is  a habit like physical fitness.
people who wish to remain fit for life need to keep at it and have fitness as a 'way of life"

in the same way , you should view a "work ethic'

seriously, its NOT punishment.

is it punishment to go to a gym and do a 1 hour class.  its "work' but it gives joy and fulfilment.

a work ethic is the same.  work at it and you will grow to love it.  I always pick up litter when i'm out walking or fishing at a beach. its joyful. look at the smiling faces on people on "clean up australia day"

whats wrong with the sour pusses on here.  seriously Wink


well if you want the unemployed to have a good "work ethic' well then provide a job that fits their skills and abilitys.

cleaning up or sorting garbage dosn't help anyones skills or abilitys.


What if they don't have any skills or abilitIES??

The skill of picking up rubbish is learned by anyone that attended school.
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Reply #40 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:20am
 
skippy. wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:15am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:13am:
warrigal wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:08am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:57am:
work is  a habit like physical fitness.
people who wish to remain fit for life need to keep at it and have fitness as a 'way of life"

in the same way , you should view a "work ethic'

seriously, its NOT punishment.

is it punishment to go to a gym and do a 1 hour class.  its "work' but it gives joy and fulfilment.

a work ethic is the same.  work at it and you will grow to love it.  I always pick up litter when i'm out walking or fishing at a beach. its joyful. look at the smiling faces on people on "clean up australia day"

whats wrong with the sour pusses on here.  seriously Wink


well if you want the unemployed to have a good "work ethic' well then provide a job that fits their skills and abilitys.

cleaning up or sorting garbage dosn't help anyones skills or abilitys.


What if they don't have any skills or abilitIES??

The skill of picking up rubbish is learned by anyone that attended school.


It might be taught in school, but that doesn't mean everyone 'learns' it..take a look around your local shopping centre, it's pretty clear a lot of people aren't capable of picking up rubbish.
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Reply #41 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 10:06am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:32am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:27am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:19am:
It doesn’t need a link ol’ fella, just use your brain.

Travel to where you have to do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Travel back home.

No time to look through paper for jobs, not in fit state to go to job interviews after doing menial, meaningless, degrading work.

Etc.

After a while menial, meaningless, degrading work has degraded you that all you want to do is sit at home chugging longnecks.

See previous WftD schemes if you are too stupid to work it out yourself.

I have also employed someone who was looking for work, required courses were basic, useless and disrupted by those bored out of their mind by the useless courses. Picking up rubbish—you REALLY trying to say that makes you more fit for work???




So no link then?


So according to your own standards, no link = total bullsh1t


I think we'll leave it at that shall we?

So you never provide links and you can’t apply a bit of commonsense?

I think we'll leave it at that shall we?



And I rarely demand others privide them, just when churlish little brats make stupid demands themselves; so you can see just how annoying it is to have someone behave in this manner

Let's see if you can control yourself in the future, shall we?

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Reply #42 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 10:19am
 
warrigal wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:00am:
BigOl64 wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:27am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:19am:
It doesn’t need a link ol’ fella, just use your brain.

Travel to where you have to do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Do menial, meaningless, degrading work

Travel back home.

No time to look through paper for jobs, not in fit state to go to job interviews after doing menial, meaningless, degrading work.

Etc.

After a while menial, meaningless, degrading work has degraded you that all you want to do is sit at home chugging longnecks.

See previous WftD schemes if you are too stupid to work it out yourself.

I have also employed someone who was looking for work, required courses were basic, useless and disrupted by those bored out of their mind by the useless courses. Picking up rubbish—you REALLY trying to say that makes you more fit for work???




So no link then?


So according to your own standards, no link = total bullsh1t


I think we'll leave it at that shall we?




all this abuse to the unemployed, and it comes from a person that's never been unemployed nor ever had to do a wfd program.

irvory towers of wealth you have no fn idea.



I pray for the day your english improves to a Grade 5 level so I don't have keep explaining the friggen obvious to you.

Not even talking about the unemployed here, let alone abusing them

I have been unemployed, then I wasn't, with no actual help from government, smart move really

And the only person here who has 'no fn idea' is your good self


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Reply #43 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 10:45am
 
Not surprising that the ACTU doesn't like WFTD as it isn't concerned with job creation or getting unemployed people into work.  In fact its stance and viewpoint is anti-employment, anti-enterprise and creates unemployment.
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Reply #44 - Jan 28th, 2014 at 11:48am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:13am:
warrigal wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 9:08am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:57am:
work is  a habit like physical fitness.
people who wish to remain fit for life need to keep at it and have fitness as a 'way of life"

in the same way , you should view a "work ethic'

seriously, its NOT punishment.

is it punishment to go to a gym and do a 1 hour class.  its "work' but it gives joy and fulfilment.

a work ethic is the same.  work at it and you will grow to love it.  I always pick up litter when i'm out walking or fishing at a beach. its joyful. look at the smiling faces on people on "clean up australia day"

whats wrong with the sour pusses on here.  seriously Wink


well if you want the unemployed to have a good "work ethic' well then provide a job that fits their skills and abilitys.

cleaning up or sorting garbage dosn't help anyones skills or abilitys.


What if they don't have any skills or abilitIES??



BINGO!!! Someone pass that man a beer.

THIS is what I've been going crook about for years.

WfD has NO training component whatsoever, despite it being a
perfect opportunity for the unemployed to gain forklift/bobcat
tickets, chain-saw tickets, IT skills, work-platform tickets,and all
kinds of things that would actually assist the unemployed to gain
paid work.

This is why Keating's scheme, which Howard simply couldn't wait
to axe (took all of a fortnight, from memory) in favour of WfD.

The Keating plan guaranteed six months paid work (at a rate roughly
halfway between the dole and the relevant award) with a compulsory
relevant training component
.

And it worked.

WfD does not.



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