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Reply #30 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 11:18am

Poster reads: "There is no way to peace, peace is the way"...

how do these terrorists get away with such blatant incitement to violence!!??

Children in Sydney, advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt;
In Egypt, these two young girls would be screaming a new song, a different song, if they were being held down, naked below the waist, with their legs held apart, and female genital mutilation was being performed upon them.

Google;
egypt female genital mutilation, muslim brotherhood

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egypt female genital mutilation supported by muslim brotherhood

Mutilating bodies: the Muslim Brotherhood's gift to Egyptian women
http://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/mariz-tadros/mutilating-bodies-muslim-brotherh...

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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #31 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 11:24am

Cover that girl!!!

Children in Sydney, advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt;
Does this girl have the permission of her moslem husband to go out, in public, uncovered ?
In an Egypt governed by the Muslim Brotherhood, this young girl could well have died in child birth by this [her apparent] age.
But lets encourage her to advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt!

Google;
egypt, muslim brotherhood, push, child bride

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp Reply #32 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 11:36am Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2014 at 11:03pm: We are a demokracy, no? NO. We are a Демократия, да.
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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #33 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 11:45am

Hijabed women proudly waving an Australian flag?? - SCANDALOUS!!

A crowd of moslems in Sydney, advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt;
What is scandalous, is that moslems should hold up an Australian flag, as though to suggest that Australia and Australians would ever support the political aspirations of ISLAMISTS in Egypt - the Muslim Brotherhood political group.

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Moslems will typically trample the national flag of their host nation, in those instances when the freedoms represented by that flag of the host nation cannot be exploited, to promote ISLAMISTS political interests.

Watch these 'proudly' 'American' moslems, shamelessly abusing the USA flag, so as to promote ISLAM [above the secular rights and freedoms represented by the USA flag!]....

Please watch this YT... goto 2m 10s

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

Does any Australian doubt, that if the Australian flag was of no political 'utility' to these Sydney moslems, that those moslems in Sydney would not also be trampling the Australian flag, to show their utter moslem contempt for Australia and for Australians ?

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There is no such creature, as a 'moderate' moslem, or, a moslem 'pluralist'.

Pluralism and freedom and choice, are incompatible with ISLAMIC ideals.

A moslem, .....is a moslem.

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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #34 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 11:45am

Good post K. You can throw in Venezuala too in your examination of class divides in democracies in the developing world.

What I find particular interesting about the Morsi/MB experience is that in the 2012 presidential elections, in which Morsi was elected, 52% of the population voted. For a country that had just spent a year in passionate protest about democracy, this seems an extraordinary turnout. Had disillusionment and realisation that the army would never be truly ousted from power already set in?

According to opinion polls in the lead up to the election, Morsi was a long way down the list for preferred president. Yet when the election came, it seems the people who cared the most about voting were Morsi supporters. The MB must be given credit for mobolizing their support base in a way that no other candidate/party did.

The protests agains Morsi that led to the military coup is understandable -most Egyptians did not vote for - and probably did not want Morsi. What is not understandable is why so many of these people did not vote for anyone if they felt so passionately against Morsi and the MB.

Egyptian democracy would get a lot more credibility, and the army would lose a lot of political authority, if Egyptians respected their democracy and gave their candidates an actual mandate.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #35 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

Here's some pictures of these "extremists" performing a bit of street theatre as part of the protest (wait... isn't such creativity strictly banned by such islamic extremists?? - and how come there are so many uncovered girls freely mixing with men?? Outrageous!!):

This street theatre, is depicting scenes from Egypt;
THESE SCREENS ARE DEPICTING HOW IN RECENT YEARS, CADRES OF THE MOSLEM BROTHERHOOD, HAVE MURDERED CHRISTIANS ON THE STREETS OF EGYPT, SIMPLY BECAUSE THOSE CHRISTIANS WERE NOT MOSLEMS.i

ISLAMIC 'CULTURE' EXPRESSED, FROM THE KORAN - and this is the same ISLAMIC culture that is promoted today by the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt, and by moslems living among us, here in Australia.

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Above, Yadda claimed....
"....promoted today.....by moslems living among us, here in Australia."

IMAGE...

August 4, 2005
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.
"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp Reply #36 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:37pm You're right, Y. Scandalous. Looks like you've got some new photos. Instead of "behead all those who insult the prophet", you'll now be able to post "the only way to peace is peace". Of course, you'll be posting this as an example of the sinister Muselman hiding his true face. Cunning, no?
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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #37 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Good post K. You can throw in Venezuala too in your examination of class divides in democracies in the developing world.

What I find particular interesting about the Morsi/MB experience is that in the 2012 presidential elections, in which Morsi was elected, 52% of the population voted. For a country that had just spent a year in passionate protest about democracy, this seems an extraordinary turnout. Had disillusionment and realisation that the army would never be truly ousted from power already set in?

According to opinion polls in the lead up to the election, Morsi was a long way down the list for preferred president. Yet when the election came, it seems the people who cared the most about voting were Morsi supporters. The MB must be given credit for mobolizing their support base in a way that no other candidate/party did.

The protests agains Morsi that led to the military coup is understandable -most Egyptians did not vote for - and probably did not want Morsi. What is not understandable is why so many of these people did not vote for anyone if they felt so passionately against Morsi and the MB.

Egyptian democracy would get a lot more credibility, and the army would lose a lot of political authority, if Egyptians respected their democracy and gave their candidates an actual mandate.

Good point, G. Do you know what constitutional changes Morsi was proposing? Do you know, for example, if any of them included mandatory voting?

To be honest, I don't know anything about Morsi and his government. The reaction, however, seems extreme. What could he have possibly done in a year to warrant mass protests, a coup, and imprisonment?

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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #38 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:21pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

You're right, Y. Scandalous.

K,

Your sincere concurrence is so appreciated by me.

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Looks like you've got some new photos. Instead of "behead all those who insult the prophet", you'll now be able to post "the only way to peace is peace".

Of course, you'll be posting this as an example of the sinister Muselman hiding his true face. Cunning, no?

"There is no way to peace, peace is the way"...

K,

In the moslem lexicon, the word, 'ISLAM', and the word, 'peace', are interchangeable, especially for whenever moslems are communicating with useful idiots [those non-moslems who advocate for ISLAMIC, ISLAMIC causes, for peaceful ISLAMIC causes].

So you see K, it is much more concealing and politically productive for a moslem slogan to declare;

"There is no way to peace, peace is the way"...

than for a moslem slogan to openly declare;

"There is no way to peace, ISLAM is the way"...

Poster reads: "There is no way to peace, peace is the way"...

how do these terrorists get away with such blatant incitement to violence!!??

Children in Sydney, advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt;

K,

Your dedication to the motif of peace, is so, so, appreciated.

It is a pity that as an atheist, you lack a true appreciation of my true praise - of you.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp Reply #39 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:34pm I wonder if those girls have been infibulated yet?
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21611 A cat with a view	Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp Reply #40 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:38pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:34pm: I wonder if those girls have been infibulated yet? Herbert, Why of course! I'm sure that those young moslem girls have all received their inflated swimming pool toys, perhaps, even just last Christmas ?
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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #41 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:43pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

I wonder if those girls have been infibulated yet?

Herbert,

Why of course!

I'm sure that those young moslem girls have all received their inflated swimming pool toys, perhaps, even just last Christmas ?

If these cute little girls knew about the real horrors of their parent's religion I can just image the horror they would feel.

The placards their parent's are waving is in support of a rightwing Islamist who would have soon rescinded the ban on female circumcision in Egypt.

Their happy faces are in ignorance of Sharia and the traditional practices of Islamic societies.

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Incidence:
In 2000, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) funded the fourth in a series of Demographic and Health Surveys (DHS) conducted in Egypt. This nationally representative survey of 15,648 ever-married women aged 15-49 found that the practice is nearly universal among women of reproductive age in Egypt. Preliminary analysis of the 2000 findings show that 97 percent of women surveyed have undergone one of these procedures, which represented no change from the 1995 DHS findings. The most severe form, Type III, is rare.

Do these little girls know about this? Do they know what their parents are protesting about under cover of bullshit about 'democracy'?

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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #42 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 2:14pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

I wonder if those girls have been infibulated yet?

Herbert,

Why of course!

I'm sure that those young moslem girls have all received their inflated swimming pool toys, perhaps, even just last Christmas ?

If these cute little girls knew about the real horrors of their parent's religion I can just image the horror they would feel.

The placards their parent's are waving is in support of a rightwing Islamist who would have soon rescinded the ban on female circumcision in Egypt.

Their happy faces are in ignorance of Sharia and the traditional practices of Islamic societies.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/mute_zps14f2c5...

Herbert,

I see it as indeed perverse [and potentially, as a criminal intent],
....that moslems, living in Australia, clearly see nothing wrong with using their own children [living in Sydney], to advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt, when we know, that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, intends to make lawful, female genital mutilation, which [if the Muslim Brotherhood ever came to power in Egypt], would be performed upon young Egyptian girls, exactly like the young moslem girls living in Australia, who are advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt!

I do wonder if these young moslem girls living in Australia, have any idea, have been informed by their moslem parents, of what it is, that they [those children, on the streets of Sydney, Australia] are advocating for ?

i.e.
Do these young girls in Sydney, have any idea, of what it is, that they are advocating for, for their own counterparts, living in Egypt ?

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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #43 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Herbert,

I see it as indeed perverse [and potentially, as a criminal intent],
....that moslems, living in Australia, clearly see nothing wrong with using their own children [living in Sydney], to advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt, when we know, that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, intends to make lawful, female genital mutilation, which [if the Muslim Brotherhood ever came to power in Egypt], would be performed upon young Egyptian girls, exactly like the young moslem girls living in Australia, who are advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt!

I do wonder if these young moslem girls living in Australia, have any idea, have been informed by their moslem parents, of what it is, that they [those children, on the streets of Sydney, Australia] are advocating for ?

i.e.
Do these young girls in Sydney, have any idea, of what it is, that they are advocating for, for their own counterparts, living in Egypt ?

I suppose that it is quite possible that those girls have been informed by their moslem parents.

So we would have to assume that, these moslem girls [being safe in Australia], do not care, what may befall their own counterparts in Egypt, if the Muslim Brotherhood ever came to power in Egypt ?

After all, these Sydney moslem girls have been indoctrinated from their mothers breast, that sacrifices made [by others!] for ISLAM, is the highest path in life !!

And after all, it is not these Sydney girls who will be suffering for the promotion of ISLAMIC ideals !

No, it will be their counterparts, in ISLAMIC majority jurisdictions, who will carry the burden.

So, 'Lets advocate for ISLAM, and support the servants of Allah!'

Poster reads: "There is no way to peace, peace is the way"...

how do these terrorists get away with such blatant incitement to violence!!??

Children in Sydney, advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood political group of Egypt;

gandalf, et al,

Surely, i have to assume, that these moslem girls have been fully informed, by their moslem parents.

And i have to assume that their moslem parents are not exploiting, their own children, to promote the political interests, of .....moslems ?

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Re: Sydney protests against overthrow of Morsi in Egyp
Reply #44 - Jan 29^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

I wonder if those girls have been infibulated yet?

Herbert,

Why of course!

I'm sure that those young moslem girls have all received their inflated swimming pool toys, perhaps, even just last Christmas ?

Exactly. They were given toys for Christmas.

Typical.

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