freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:00pm:


You are being unreasonable. A group of people protesting against a clear attack on democracy, demonstrating with such key words as "freedom" and "peace", and yes - "democracy" - but its still gotta be about evil conspiring muslims.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:00pm:


Precisely.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:00pm:


Who the hell knows, and why does it matter? It was still a legitimate election and a legitimate result, and removing the elected leader and conducting a bloody suppression of the leader's supporters, is an attack on democracy however way you want to spin it.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 8:00pm:


Muslims protest in support of democracy all the time - you might have missed the whole arab spring thing. They also often protest against islam-inspired retrograde political movements - like the regular mass protests that you never hear about in Iran.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 10:21pm:


You are merely asking something thats completely smacking retarded. Carrying placards condemning a violent coup against a fairly elected democratic President is showing clear concern for Egyptian democracy. Seriously, what is wrong with you??

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 10:21pm:


If you ignore every single thing about the protest and insist on drawing on some retarded islamophobic bigotry, then sure, its the most unclear thing in the world 

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 10:21pm:


Quote me. I denied no such thing.

Why would I care if nearly half of Egyptians were too stupid to go out and vote for a non-Morsi candidate if they really didn't want Morsi? More to the point, how the hell does it detract from the fact that the military coup was an outrageous attack on democracy, and something that is worth protesting over? If I didn't know any better, I'd say you are apologising for the thugs who attacked a fledgling democracy and tried to have it dismantled. All for the sake of yet another petty-minded dig at anything islamic.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 10:21pm:



What does that mean? I see you are not disputing the fact that your claim that muslims never protest in support of democracy is complete and utter bullshit.

I'm still trying to work out what this has to do with judging muslims by the actions of the majority. Third time lucky maybe?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 11:54pm:


The question is, what the hell is wrong with you? And the answer is Muhammadanism.

You know as well as everybody else in here, that Islam is the very antithesis of freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination.

As I remember you yourself even expressed your approval of Muslims punishing former Muslims for the "apostasy" of leaving Islam. That is, punished for exercising their God-given rights to self-determination and religious freedom. Punished for coming to know the love of the one true God of the scriptures, and beginning a life in Jesus Christ.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

For 1400 years, Muhammad's antichrist followers have had to be ruled by iron-fisted totalitarian regimes and rulers. Just as we find around the world today, in the murder, mayhem, misery and slavery of Islam controlled countries. Particularly the slavery of women.

The false pretense of democracy served as the primary tool for the true fundamental Islamist followers of Muhammad, to further dupe their western dhimmis into supporting the so-called "Arab Spring", which as has become obvious, was just another means of completing the demonic antichrist subjugation and slavery of Islamic sharia rule of law, in the countries thus infected. As particularly evidenced by the increase in the murder of Christians and destruction of churches in those same countries.
https://www.google.com/#q=churches+destroyed+egypt

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:


Ah yes, of course, they were exactly the same people. How silly of me to forget.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:


The placards I posted are all about anti-coup, anti-violence and "free Egypt". Only in FD land is that not a clear case of support for democracy and concern for the process.

Support for Morsi and his policies are irrelevant here. What seems to fly right over your head is the fact that having a fair and democratic system just happens to benefit Morsi supporters - thus support for Morsi and support for freedom and democracy in Egypt are one in the same. Clearly you want to pin a "pro-Morsi" tag on these protestors in the fallacious belief that pro-Morsi (read: pro Islam) necessarily equals pro-tyranny/anti-democracy. But its not even clear that these people are pro-Morsi - the only thing that is patently and undeniably obvious is that these people are protesting against undemocratic coups, violence and attacks on Egyptian freedom and democracy. It takes a supreme effort in obfuscation and mental gymnastics to reject what is plain in front of your face - but you are making a sterling effort I must say.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:


What are you talking about?? Clearly the pro-Morsi crowd had concern for the outcome since they were about the only people who came out to vote in force. Your criticism belongs to the people who opposed Morsi but couldn't be bothered voting, and then went and supported the undemocratic coup. Presumably the people *YOU* are standing up for.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:


"They"? Who's "they"? The exact same people? What protests anyway?

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:


What claim?? I really should compile a list of all the crap you make up about me.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:07am:


No, really I don't. Its the most nonsensical non-point you have come up with for a long time.

Obviously the majority didn't vote for Morsi, but who is judging them, and/or why would it be reasonable to judge them in this context?

Actually, I *DO* judge the morons who camped in Tahrir square and forced Mubarak to stand aside for democracy, and then couldn't even be bothered voting to keep Morsi out, and then came crying to the army to dismantle the democracy they had just over a year ago fought so hard for. No idea what thats got to do with these protestors in Sydney though.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 11:45am:


Gee this is really not getting through is it?

1. Dictator is ousted from office in a wave of democratic protests
2. As a result, free and fair elections are held and one guy (doesn't matter who) is fairly elected President
3. President is soon overthrown by a distinctly undemocratic military coup, bloody crackdown of supporters ensues
4. Protest occurs in Australia condemning the coup and violence and the attack on freedom and democracy.

From this FD concludes that there is reasonable grounds to be suspicious that the protestors mentioned in point 4 are actually anti-democracy, anti-freedom and the usual Islamic fundamentalist kill-joys. 

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 11:45am:


Yes because the fact that they are clearly protesting the removal of a democratically elected President and specifically condemning the violence and attack on freedom - is nowhere near enough evidence that they were promoting democracy. 

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 11:45am:


Such as?

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 11:45am:


Yes, and what was Morsi's grand agenda for bringing Egyptian people back to the 7th century? Feel free to answer with actual facts this time.

I really don't see why this discussion shouldn't be merged with the Egyptian protest thread.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 8:10pm:


Thats because you never even bothered to look at the images I posted.

Here are the specific references to freedom that FD inexplicably missed:





In fact almost all the images in that collection contained the most prominent placard that read "Justice Freedom Peace: Humanity in Crisis"

Also, anti-military coup:



anti-violence/pro-peace:

Fair enough. You found one poster promoting democracy. I guess that counts as clearly indicating what the Muslim protestors are mainly concerned about.

BTW, how would you interpret it if there was one beheading poster?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 9:05pm:


This kid who lives in Egypt will tell you why they got rid of Morsi,your rent a crowd might object to what this kid says.