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Reply #105 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:04pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 2:55pm:
And for not having JuLiar's cross-support in caucus.

Sieg Heil!


i used to watch julia and tony together on the morning show with kochie years ago (god knows why). they always looked like 2 peas in a pod. 
awkward, wanting to be liked, actually  i'd call them both a pair of "wannabes" . shocked they both made it to the top.
steven bradbury type characters  Wink
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Reply #106 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?
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Reply #107 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:54pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am:
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?


It is movement toward a goal, most often utopian due to its visions of some idealised, radical perfection (perfection itself being a pretty radical idea).




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Reply #108 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 1:43pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am:
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?


It is movement toward a goal, most often utopian due to its visions of some idealised, radical perfection (perfection itself being a pretty radical idea).





So you do or you don't believe in progress?
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Re: The Myth of Human Progress
Reply #109 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 3:59pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 1:43pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am:
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?


It is movement toward a goal, most often utopian due to its visions of some idealised, radical perfection (perfection itself being a pretty radical idea).





So you do or you don't believe in progress?


As soon as you tell me
what
you propose we progress towards/to, I'll tell you if I believe in it or not.



PS.
What happened to your little yellow marching guys??




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Reply #110 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:01pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 1:43pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am:
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?


It is movement toward a goal, most often utopian due to its visions of some idealised, radical perfection (perfection itself being a pretty radical idea).





So you do or you don't believe in progress?


He does, Death, he just likes the dystopian kind.

Absolutely, always, never ever - on stilts. We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

Thank heavens the dystopians are back in charge.
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Reply #111 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:08pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 3:59pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 1:43pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am:
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?


It is movement toward a goal, most often utopian due to its visions of some idealised, radical perfection (perfection itself being a pretty radical idea).





So you do or you don't believe in progress?


As soon as you tell me
what
you propose we progress towards/to, I'll tell you if I believe in it or not.



PS.
What happened to your little yellow marching guys??





You aint the god that judges buddy!

You are the god that failed!!

  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Is that what this 'dystopian' word means perhaps??????????????????????????????????

Oh, well I suppose if the shoe fits  Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

...if you don't beleive in progress just tell us ya yellow chicken you! No one will laugh and if they did you would be too above them to even care so what's stopping you just admitting you hate life and everything in it???

go on, soren: once you say it it loses all it's power over you....   Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Cry  Embarrassed Embarrassed

** all heil stockmarkets: afterall, kids should be seen and not heard  Roll Eyes


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Reply #112 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:45pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Which one, Mistie? You need to name names, remember?

Creative and critical thinking skills, you see.


Names eh. Give me a day or so and I'll dig them out. They're all Foucauldians to me; all a pale imitation of their master. Their specific names become a blur after a while.
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Reply #113 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:51pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Which one, Mistie? You need to name names, remember?

Creative and critical thinking skills, you see.


Names eh. Give me a day or so and I'll dig them out. They're all Foucauldians to me; all a pale imitation of their master. Their specific names become a blur after a while.

HaHa: see Tanya Pliberseck give a shout out to the apparently non-existant-yet-somehow-existant postmodernists?!!?

I think she said something along the lines of, "... I know there are going to be a whole  lot of post-modernists out there saying there are no facts but anyways the fact is.."... and then she laughed at the fact she had just said fact!

Oh, I love that woman!! Such a class act all the way!!
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Re: The Myth of Human Progress
Reply #114 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 6:54pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Which one, Mistie? You need to name names, remember?

Creative and critical thinking skills, you see.


Names eh. Give me a day or so and I'll dig them out. They're all Foucauldians to me; all a pale imitation of their master. Their specific names become a blur after a while.


A day or two? Gee, Mistie, I thought you might know by now, what with working in the uni and everything.

If it takes you 2 days to name names, don’t worry about it.

"Progressives".
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Reply #115 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Which one, Mistie? You need to name names, remember?

Creative and critical thinking skills, you see.


Names eh. Give me a day or so and I'll dig them out. They're all Foucauldians to me; all a pale imitation of their master. Their specific names become a blur after a while.

HaHa: see Tanya Pliberseck give a shout out to the apparently non-existant-yet-somehow-existant postmodernists?!!?

I think she said something along the lines of, "... I know there are going to be a whole  lot of post-modernists out there saying there are no facts but anyways the fact is.."... and then she laughed at the fact she had just said fact!

Oh, I love that woman!! Such a class act all the way!!


Me too. I love the way she prefixed her reference to good old fashioned truth. That’s class alright.

Did you notice she succeeded in restraining herself from arguing with Mr News Ltd? She even joined forces with Barnaby to defend people from tabloid hysteria. She didn’t have to either - Barnaby was on the ropes.

But Tanya wanted to lay a quiet on on Rupert’s boy.

I wish she gave more but, as everybody knows - that would be political suicide.
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Reply #116 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 7:48pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:08pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 3:59pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 1:43pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am:
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?


It is movement toward a goal, most often utopian due to its visions of some idealised, radical perfection (perfection itself being a pretty radical idea).





So you do or you don't believe in progress?


As soon as you tell me
what
you propose we progress towards/to, I'll tell you if I believe in it or not.



PS.
What happened to your little yellow marching guys??





You aint the god that judges buddy!

You are the god that failed!!

  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Is that what this 'dystopian' word means perhaps??????????????????????????????????

Oh, well I suppose if the shoe fits  Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

...if you don't beleive in progress just tell us ya yellow chicken you! No one will laugh and if they did you would be too above them to even care so what's stopping you just admitting you hate life and everything in it???

go on, soren: once you say it it loses all it's power over you....   Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Cry  Embarrassed Embarrassed
** all heil stockmarkets: afterall, kids should be seen and not heard  Roll Eyes




So whatever YOU say is progress is a good thing -  but  you are not prepared to say what it actually is that you are progressing to 'coz that's kinda judgmental. You ask me if I believe in it without telling me what it actually is.
Toe the party line for  glorious future!!! Hail the leader! ... ... ...

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Reply #117 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 2:44am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Which one, Mistie? You need to name names, remember?

Creative and critical thinking skills, you see.


Names eh. Give me a day or so and I'll dig them out. They're all Foucauldians to me; all a pale imitation of their master. Their specific names become a blur after a while.

HaHa: see Tanya Pliberseck give a shout out to the apparently non-existant-yet-somehow-existant postmodernists?!!?

I think she said something along the lines of, "... I know there are going to be a whole  lot of post-modernists out there saying there are no facts but anyways the fact is.."... and then she laughed at the fact she had just said fact!

Oh, I love that woman!! Such a class act all the way!!


Me too. I love the way she prefixed her reference to good old fashioned truth. That’s class alright.

Did you notice she succeeded in restraining herself from arguing with Mr News Ltd? She even joined forces with Barnaby to defend people from tabloid hysteria. She didn’t have to either - Barnaby was on the ropes.

But Tanya wanted to lay a quiet on on Rupert’s boy.

I wish she gave more but, as everybody knows - that would be political suicide.

She saved Barnaby for sure: even for him he was shocking!! She showed compassion...
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Reply #118 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 2:45am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:08pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 3:59pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 1:43pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:54pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:46am:
Soren wrote on Jan 28th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
OP - just stupid.

Clive hamilton and Nietzsche  cited as authorities for the same argument means it's a fatally flawed argument.

What is progress to soren?


It is movement toward a goal, most often utopian due to its visions of some idealised, radical perfection (perfection itself being a pretty radical idea).





So you do or you don't believe in progress?


As soon as you tell me
what
you propose we progress towards/to, I'll tell you if I believe in it or not.



PS.
What happened to your little yellow marching guys??





You aint the god that judges buddy!

You are the god that failed!!

  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Is that what this 'dystopian' word means perhaps??????????????????????????????????

Oh, well I suppose if the shoe fits  Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

...if you don't beleive in progress just tell us ya yellow chicken you! No one will laugh and if they did you would be too above them to even care so what's stopping you just admitting you hate life and everything in it???

go on, soren: once you say it it loses all it's power over you....   Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Cry  Embarrassed Embarrassed
** all heil stockmarkets: afterall, kids should be seen and not heard  Roll Eyes




So whatever YOU say is progress is a good thing -  but  you are not prepared to say what it actually is that you are progressing to 'coz that's kinda judgmental. You ask me if I believe in it without telling me what it actually is.
Toe the party line for  glorious future!!! Hail the leader! http://classicosmania.com/forums/images/smilies/smiley_hitler-t.gif http://classicosmania.com/forums/images/smilies/smiley_hitler-t.gif http://classicosmania.com/forums/images/smilies/smiley_hitler-t.gif


You're a small target wimpo  Shocked Shocked
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Reply #119 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 7:03am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 12:14pm:
Which one, Mistie? You need to name names, remember?

Creative and critical thinking skills, you see.


Names eh. Give me a day or so and I'll dig them out. They're all Foucauldians to me; all a pale imitation of their master. Their specific names become a blur after a while.

HaHa: see Tanya Pliberseck give a shout out to the apparently non-existant-yet-somehow-existant postmodernists?!!?

I think she said something along the lines of, "... I know there are going to be a whole  lot of post-modernists out there saying there are no facts but anyways the fact is.."... and then she laughed at the fact she had just said fact!

Oh, I love that woman!! Such a class act all the way!!


Me too. I love the way she prefixed her reference to good old fashioned truth. That’s class alright.

Did you notice she succeeded in restraining herself from arguing with Mr News Ltd? She even joined forces with Barnaby to defend people from tabloid hysteria. She didn’t have to either - Barnaby was on the ropes.

But Tanya wanted to lay a quiet on on Rupert’s boy.

I wish she gave more but, as everybody knows - that would be political suicide.



NOOOOOOOO karmal, i enjoy reading your posts but PLEASE take back any comments praising Miss Plibosek. 
If you look up condescending , up herself , lecturing, hypocritical, manipulative bitch in the dictionary, there you will find a picture of Miss Tanya.

Barnaby may not have the gift of the gab , but he is authentic.
She is the very definition of a phoney.

F minus,  pathetic karmal, just pathetic
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