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Reply #15 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:47am
 
I think the only cure for Honky, Pansi and Adelcrow would be a trip to Auschwitz.
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I'm very healthy, thanks.
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Reply #17 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 11:20am
 
Cofgod wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:47am:
I think the only cure for Honky, Pansi and Adelcrow would be a trip to Auschwitz.
Cofgod, you seem so confident of the correctness of your position I assume you have looked into this claim before. Perhaps you could share some links?
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Reply #18 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:29am
 
... wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 10:18am:
I'm very healthy, thanks.



Not mentally, you ain't.
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Reply #19 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:30am
 
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ImSpartacus2]Cofgod, you seem so confident of the correctness of your position


That's because I'm correct.
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Reply #20 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:37am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 11:20am:
Cofgod wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:47am:
I think the only cure for Honky, Pansi and Adelcrow would be a trip to Auschwitz.
Cofgod, you seem so confident of the correctness of your position I assume you have looked into this claim before. Perhaps you could share some links?


Is this one of those "no evidence of gas chambers' type things??
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Reply #21 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 2:17pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:37am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 11:20am:
Cofgod wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:47am:
I think the only cure for Honky, Pansi and Adelcrow would be a trip to Auschwitz.
Cofgod, you seem so confident of the correctness of your position I assume you have looked into this claim before. Perhaps you could share some links?


Is this one of those "no evidence of gas chambers' type things??



It can be interpreted this way when the news Article is taken out of the events in 1933. But some context…

In 1933 Hitler became Chancellor of Germany and with Hitler came discriminatory policies against Jews; like the yellow stickers. Jews responded to Hitler by boycotting German products. Hitler and the Nazi Sympathisers saw this boycott as an act of aggression against Germany, and called it ‘the Jews war with Germany’. 

But I am not sure where the OP is trying to lead the reader.  Is he suggesting that Jews should accept Hitler’s policy on discrimination against Jews so Hitler doesn't order the Jewish Holocaust? Very ridicules position.
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Reply #22 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 2:26pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 1st, 2014 at 5:01pm:
The Jews wanted to start a European Union type banking system. They wanted to control the central bank of Germany.

Hitler stood up to them, and it has since been proven that the central banking is a flawed system. He foresaw the problems that we now have with the EU, but as it was coming from Hitler no one was going to take heed.

That's not taking away from the horrible crimes he committed, but that's how it started.



Yes, the Jews wanted to control the German bank, so after the krauts sent Chamberlain home shouting “peace in our time” they decided to steam-roll Czechoslovakia and Poland.

So they could keep their bank.

Yep.

OK.

Fair enough too.

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Reply #23 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 2:45pm
 
Cofgod wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 12:29am:
... wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 10:18am:
I'm very healthy, thanks.



Not mentally, you ain't.


Oh yeah?  What part of my post do you have a problem with?  Are you saying they bring it on themselves?
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Reply #24 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:18pm
 
I thought Jews had a reputation of rabble-rousing for some kind of sympathy from others to live off. Rightly or wrongly stereotyped, the stigma is there. Though I don't hear about it so much as I did in the 1990s, Jews seem to use WW2 to justify supporting Israel financially. But at least there isn't anymore talk about people claiming to be a Holocaust survivor -- so at least they are holding us under 50 year olds to some standard of respect.

Jewish people were blamed for helping end the war in the Allies favour, thereby denying Germany a win in WW1. WW2 was created by a fiercely nationalistic nation and government trying to reclaim some pride and sovereignty of traditional German lands, and rebuild/expand their economy. But getting into Poland was going too far for the British to accept. I can't see how you would blame Jews for creating the second war.
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Reply #25 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 5:26pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 4:18pm:
I thought Jews had a reputation of rabble-rousing for some kind of sympathy from others to live off. Rightly or wrongly stereotyped, the stigma is there. Though I don't hear about it so much as I did in the 1990s, Jews seem to use WW2 to justify supporting Israel financially. But at least there isn't anymore talk about people claiming to be a Holocaust survivor -- so at least they are holding us under 50 year olds to some standard of respect.

Jewish people were blamed for helping end the war in the Allies favour, thereby denying Germany a win in WW1. WW2 was created by a fiercely nationalistic nation and government trying to reclaim some pride and sovereignty of traditional German lands, and rebuild/expand their economy. But getting into Poland was going too far for the British to accept. I can't see how you would blame Jews for creating the second war.


You can't. But they were 'convenient'. To motivate a nation, in the grip of a pretty severe depression, you need a 'Great Enemy'. A foreign enemy works ok, so does an internal one, but the best is a 'worldwide conspiracy' against the people, which is what Hitler gave the German people.
It wasn't very difficult either, most of the Germans were Christian, and the churches had been using the Jews kill Jesus story for centuries, and the Jewish people were fairly insular as well, which helped the story along a lot.

America used a fairly similar method in the Cold War against Communism and something very similar is being used now against corporations and 'Capitalism' (the great eviiiilllll)
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Reply #26 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:01pm
 
... wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Jews have been victims of discrimination for thousands of years.

None of it's ever their fault though.  They might be grossly overrepresented in the most powerful institutions in the world, but they're really just poor helpless souls, suffering unneccesary, unwarranted cruelty from every population they live amongst.


Even if Jews are "grossly over represented in the most powerful institutions in the world" is true (by comparison with who?) that doesn't explain or justify the Holocaust and centuries of progroms against the Jewish people.
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Reply #27 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:53am
 
The far-right in Germany (including Hitler) had muti-faceted accusations against Jews.

If you look at Hitler's case at the time it was that Jews:

*betrayed Germany in creating the Weimar Republic, and the constitution that went with it, which crippled Germany, and forced it to pay massive amounts of compensation to its WW1 enemies.
*were behind the communist and socialist movements
*were involved in degenerative activities such as the creation of porn
*had allegiance to Jewry (and Jewish aims such as Zionism) rather than the German nation
*were behind terrorist acts such as the burning of the German parliament and the assassination of German political figures.
*caused Germany's loss in WW1 by agitating a defeatist attitude in Germany during the war.
*were profiting from the misfortune of Germans through their banking system.

Whilst these actions may have been the acts of some Jews (and not just Jews) rather than all Jews, the actions of wealthy foreign Jews and leaders of foreign Jewish organisations at the time gave impetus to claims of the German far-right of a Jewish conspiracy against Germany.

That the Jews were portrayed as inferior came later, after they were initially portrayed as a threat. Much of the propaganda aimed at Jews portrayed them as degenerative rather than inferior.
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Reply #28 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 8:54pm
 
True Colours wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:53am:
The far-right in Germany (including Hitler) had muti-faceted accusations against Jews.

If you look at Hitler's case at the time it was that Jews:

*betrayed Germany in creating the Weimar Republic, and the constitution that went with it, which crippled Germany, and forced it to pay massive amounts of compensation to its WW1 enemies.
*were behind the communist and socialist movements
*were involved in degenerative activities such as the creation of porn
*had allegiance to Jewry (and Jewish aims such as Zionism) rather than the German nation
*were behind terrorist acts such as the burning of the German parliament and the assassination of German political figures.
*caused Germany's loss in WW1 by agitating a defeatist attitude in Germany during the war.
*were profiting from the misfortune of Germans through their banking system.

Whilst these actions may have been the acts of some Jews (and not just Jews) rather than all Jews, the actions of wealthy foreign Jews and leaders of foreign Jewish organisations at the time gave impetus to claims of the German far-right of a Jewish conspiracy against Germany.

That the Jews were portrayed as inferior came later, after they were initially portrayed as a threat. Much of the propaganda aimed at Jews portrayed them as degenerative rather than inferior.


Whether the Jews were behind the Weimar Republic, I have no idea.

But the Reichstag Fire, while blamed on  a Dutch Jew, was almost certainly started by the Nazis themselves to scare the German public into allowing Hitler full dictatorial powers.
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Reply #29 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:45pm
 
Sasha wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 2:17pm:
It can be interpreted this way when the news Article is taken out of the events in 1933. But some context…

In 1933 Hitler became Chancellor of Germany and with Hitler came discriminatory policies against Jews; like the yellow stickers. Jews responded to Hitler by boycotting German products. Hitler and the Nazi Sympathisers saw this boycott as an act of aggression against Germany, and called it ‘the Jews war with Germany’. 



There were no edicts forcing Jews to wear badges until WWII had commenced.

German Jews were not required to wear yellow badges until 1941.
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