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Reply #75 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51am

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 11:15pm:

ian wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs.

Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet.

I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar. Like most things though the problem is in the quantity. Modern diets have far too much sugar (I'm guilty of this as well) and it's not just sugary treats but it is also regular food you get from the supermarket. Many of the "low fat" varieties of food have been topped up with extra sugar.

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Reply #76 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14am

muso wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 4:52pm:

True Blue... wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

we always use a natural butter these days and A2 milk....

forget about that margarine garbage and altered milk with waste products dumped into it...

my daughter sent me this today, in fact..

Nothing wrong with extra virgin olive oil either.

That's all I use.

I don't have margarine or butter in my fridge.

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Reply #77 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 11:17am

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 11:15pm:

ian wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs.

Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet.

I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar.

Sure is.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Change in Diet... Reply #78 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am That analogy is quite misleading, there is a difference between the way our bodies process natural sugar from fruits and refined sugar. Certainly we did not evolve to eat refined sugar which does not occur in nature.
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Reply #79 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:04pm

ian wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am:

That analogy is quite misleading, there is a difference between the way our bodies process natural sugar from fruits and refined sugar. Certainly we did not evolve to eat refined sugar which does not occur in nature.

Whether it's in a piece of fruit, your soda or a pastry, sugar is made up of the same two components: fructose and glucose. The molecular structure and composition of sugar molecules is the same no matter where they come from.

The ratios of fructose and glucose are pretty much the same in both fruit and table sugar. Most fruits are 40 to 55 percent fructose (there's some variation: 65 percent in apples and pears; 20 percent in cranberries), and table sugar (aka sucrose) is 50/50. Neither type of sugar is better or worse for you, but your body processes them differently. Fructose breaks down in your liver and doesn’t provoke an insulin response. Glucose starts to break down in the stomach and requires the release of insulin into the bloodstream to be metabolized completely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/29/fruit-sugar-versus-white-sugar_n_349779...

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Reply #80 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 11:15pm:

ian wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs.

Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet.

I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar. Like most things though the problem is in the quantity. Modern diets have far too much sugar (I'm guilty of this as well) and it's not just sugary treats but it is also regular food you get from the supermarket. Many of the "low fat" varieties of food have been topped up with extra sugar.

Fruit is full of a natural sugar. We are accustomed to that. But not the processed stuff that they fill our Coca Cola.

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Reply #81 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:55pm

If you want to look back to when humans were developing the fruits were probably lower in sugar than they are today.
plant breeders are working overtime to put more sugar into fruit.
I have a plum variety that has 23% sugar, I doubt cave men had them.

Lean meat and green leafy veg, a bit of other veg and a bit of fruit is the answer (from years of testing on myself)

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Reply #83 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:44am

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 12:31pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 10:51am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 11:15pm:

ian wrote on Feb 24^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

I have been reading a bit lately about how cutting out red meat in males decreses testosterone levels. and the true enemy in our diets is carbs, particularly refined carbs.

Our bodies evolved to eat meat and fruits and certain other plants. It's sugars that we find poisonous. We haven't evolved to eat that yet.

I think that you will find that fruit is full of sugar so we have definitely evolved to eat sugar. Like most things though the problem is in the quantity. Modern diets have far too much sugar (I'm guilty of this as well) and it's not just sugary treats but it is also regular food you get from the supermarket. Many of the "low fat" varieties of food have been topped up with extra sugar.

Fruit is full of a natural sugar. We are accustomed to that. But not the processed stuff that they fill our Coca Cola.

sugar is still sugar.
The difference is that there is a lot more sugar in a can of coke than there is in a piece of fruit. Also, a piece of fruit will will satisfy your appetite more so you are less likely to then eat other sugary foods.

So don't kid yourselves into thinking that the sugar in fruit is somehow "healthier" than the sugar in soft drinks. As with most things in life it's all about moderation. A small amount of sugar is part of a balanced diet, but too much is bad for our health.

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Reply #84 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:45am

muso wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Jaqs wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

Hey Muso, do you eat egg? And just out of interest, how often do you eat fish?

Sorry, I missed this. I eat fish or seafood about once a week. I love fresh salmon. I eat eggs occasionally, like tonight I'm making seafood foo yung.

salmon is great.
we have lots of eggs, I normally discard the yolks. they have ALL the cholestrol.
The egg white is all protein.
It's an old body builders technique.

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Reply #85 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 2:15pm

"Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking"

"The majority of Americans are eating about twice as much proteins as they should, and it seems that the best change would be to lower the daily intake of all proteins but especially animal-derived proteins ... "

"Having a high protein diet is no better than a high fat diet ... "

http://food.ninemsn.com.au/healthyrecipes/newsandfeatures/8809492/meat-and-chees...

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Reply #86 - Mar 5^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking

Not really. The problem is that the majority of Americans are eating about

twice

as much proteins as they should, so all they should need to do is halve their protein intake. Hardly the same as smoking. Using your argument, if you halved the number of cigarettes you smoke, you would be healthy.

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Reply #87 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:46am

Frances wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Meat and cheese could be as bad for you as smoking

Not really. The problem is that the majority of Americans are eating about

twice

as much proteins as they should, so all they should need to do is halve their protein intake. Hardly the same as smoking. Using your argument, if you halved the number of cigarettes you smoke, you would be healthy.

It's not my argument.

http://food.ninemsn.com.au/healthyrecipes/newsandfeatures/8809492/meat-and-chees...

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Reply #88 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:53am

"This week a new report said that a diet high in animal protein could increase our chances of dying from cancer or diabetes fourfold."

"Forget protein. Concentrate on sugar. Winkler concludes, trenchantly: 'Sugar is the issue of 2014. It's going to continue to be the issue of 2014.' "

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/05/cant-eat-animal-protein-what...

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Change in Diet... Reply #89 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 12:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:53am: "This week a new report said that a diet high in animal protein could increase our chances of dying from cancer or diabetes fourfold." In other words, an unbalanced diet.
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