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Reply #90 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:54pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth?

They don't.

Do you?

Stop with the stupid games. I already said that the actions of the crowd does not fit the numbers. If you now admit that the ABC don't know the actual numbers, then quoting them as a fact is waste of time. The ABC do not know if there are only 10% greens in the crowd, so their numbers are not proof that that is all that is there.

Why do you actually think that this type of debating is constructive? It is just circles for no reason.

because all you are doing is saying they are lying ... anyone can say that about anyone who makes a claim they disagree with, it do you think this type of debating is constructive?

Who am I saying is lying?

Some of the people who ticked 'ALP' or 'Coalition' on the online registration form.

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Reply #91 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:55pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

So there is a limit on how many greens can get in the door. About 10%. Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth? It would seem logical on a show that has such a focus on Green issues, and has such limited seat space for Green voters, that many Green supporters would lie so as to enter.

You fill out the questionnaire and then get invited to a program. You may have noticed that the Greens get about 8% of the vote, there are not as many of them.

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Reply #92 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:55pm

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Skewed to the right Cheesy

To believe that, one would have to be an Uber Communist.
The left always outnumber the Right on Q&A and then you have the LW stalwart of a compere.
The Insiders have much the same problem 2L, 1R... and LW Barrie... not to mention the LW cartoonists etc.

Very true. Sometimes they even have three leftists and no conservatives. This sunday just gone was actually okay, they had a conservative, a lefty and I think a centrist on, so very balance. That is very much the exception, however.

Usually because Akerman goes on and makes a fool of all conservatives.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 59231 Here Gender:	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual bias self. Reply #93 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:57pm John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:28pm: How do you figure that Ray Martin And Achmal are lefties? Or do you simply categorise anyone that criticises Abbott as being a lefty? Bingo - we have a winner.
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Reply #94 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Who am I saying is lying?

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

So there is a limit on how many greens can get in the door. About 10%. Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth? It would seem logical on a show that has such a focus on Green issues, and has such limited seat space for Green voters, that many Green supporters would lie so as to enter.

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

it appears you are accusing anyone and everyone

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olde.sault Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2913	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual bias self. Reply #95 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:58pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:59pm: If they had more than 2 nutjobs at a time the show would become an unbearable screeching rubble. Four leftists against two conservatives? What a show of cowardice on the part of the leftists.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96470	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual bias self. Reply #96 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:59pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:52pm: But Tony comes from the extreme pack of dogs. His views on women, the vulnerable, non-standard families, it's all very much chunder worthy. Yes, but he is a grown-up, you have to admit that. And thank heavens for that.
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Reply #97 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

olde.sault wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

If they had more than 2 nutjobs at a time the show would become an unbearable screeching rubble.

Four leftists against two conservatives?

What a show of cowardice on the part of the leftists.

Perhaps old spice, you can help Matty as he couldn't provide an answer after he made a comment similar to yours,

how do you know Salam and Ray Martin are lefties?

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Reply #98 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

In addition, the audience was yet again stacked with lefties.

"Audience: ALP 36%, Coalition 46%, Greens 10%"

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3898590.htm

The coalition backers in the audience must have been mutes.

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Reply #99 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:02pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Who am I saying is lying?

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

So there is a limit on how many greens can get in the door. About 10%. Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth? It would seem logical on a show that has such a focus on Green issues, and has such limited seat space for Green voters, that many Green supporters would lie so as to enter.

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

it appears you are accusing anyone and everyone

I was just making sure that you weren't accusing me of saying that the ABC is lying. I don't question that the statistics are real, I question that the statistics (That people like pecca quote as proof of something) are accurate. If you want to believe those stats are exact and that no one lies so as to get in then go ahead. Believe it all you want.

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Reply #100 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

Can you substantiate that claim?

The actions of the audience is proof enough. When someone in the crowd gets up and attacks the two big parties and talks up the greens, then there wouldn't be a roar of applause by a crowd made up of mostly liberal and Labor voters. You wouldn't here such deafening boos when someone attack the greens. 10% is a minority. The cheering and booing is simply too loud for such a minority group.

But all that is irrelevant to the real question. How do the ABC know how many are in the room? They make the claim, where is their proof?

I always assumed they gave the audience survey cards before the show.

Perhaps. But virtually every week the numbers are;

Green 10%
Liberal 45%
Labor 35%

give or take a percent or two. It is simply too consistent each week for it to be a random sample of the public. There should be weeks of 1% greens or even 50% greens if it was just a random 150 or so people walking through the door. For it to be almost the same numbers each week suggest filtering who gets in for the week. If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

There's nothing random about it.

Audience members have to register in order to get in.

As part of the registration, they're asked what party they would vote for.

It's no accident that the percentages are always pretty much the same.

http://www2b.abc.net.au/AudienceBooking/Client/AudienceRegistration.aspx

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So there is a limit on how many greens can get in the door. About 10%. Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth? It would seem logical on a show that has such a focus on Green issues, and has such limited seat space for Green voters, that many Green supporters would lie so as to enter.

Lying comes naturally to the Greens and the ALP.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #101 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Who am I saying is lying?

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

So there is a limit on how many greens can get in the door. About 10%. Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth? It would seem logical on a show that has such a focus on Green issues, and has such limited seat space for Green voters, that many Green supporters would lie so as to enter.

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

it appears you are accusing anyone and everyone

I was just making sure that you weren't accusing me of saying that the ABC is lying. I don't question that the statistics are real, I question that the statistics (That people like pecca quote as proof of something) are accurate. If you want to believe those stats are exact and that no one lies so as to get in then go ahead. Believe it all you want.

sure you were !!!! Grin

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Reply #102 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth?

They don't.

Do you?

DO You?

Short answer... no. Grin

But I do know that university students from the Socialist Alliance and Resistance, lie about their politics to get in, as explained by their leader at Sydney Uni and that this is part of the national strategy for political involvement.

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The Socialist Alliance is a radical far Left party in Australia which engages in grassroots activism and electoral politics. With branches in all states and territories, and electoral registration federally and in a number of states, it claims to be the largest group on the Australian far Left.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #103 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:12pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Who am I saying is lying?

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

So there is a limit on how many greens can get in the door. About 10%. Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth? It would seem logical on a show that has such a focus on Green issues, and has such limited seat space for Green voters, that many Green supporters would lie so as to enter.

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

it appears you are accusing anyone and everyone

I was just making sure that you weren't accusing me of saying that the ABC is lying. I don't question that the statistics are real, I question that the statistics (That people like pecca quote as proof of something) are accurate. If you want to believe those stats are exact and that no one lies so as to get in then go ahead. Believe it all you want.

I didn't say the stats were proof.

You're the one who seems to think you have proof: "The actions of the audience is proof enough."

I merely posted the numbers, and asked you to substantiate your claim that some of the people were telling lies (which you still haven't managed to do).

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #104 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:12pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Who am I saying is lying?

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

So there is a limit on how many greens can get in the door. About 10%. Now how does the ABC know who is telling the truth? It would seem logical on a show that has such a focus on Green issues, and has such limited seat space for Green voters, that many Green supporters would lie so as to enter.

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

it appears you are accusing anyone and everyone

I was just making sure that you weren't accusing me of saying that the ABC is lying. I don't question that the statistics are real, I question that the statistics (That people like pecca quote as proof of something) are accurate. If you want to believe those stats are exact and that no one lies so as to get in then go ahead. Believe it all you want.

sure you were !!!! Grin

Yeah, I was.

My argument has been that from the start. This is what I originally said that you took issue with;

"The ABC must regulate the audience to keep those proportions. It would not be possible to get a random group of about 150 people each week and to always get about the same percentage. If they do regulate it, then something is still up, because the response of the audience doesn't fit the make up of it claimed by the ABC. Either the numbers don't include guests (not those on the panel, but those invited by those on the panel who may make up a considerable number in the room) or people are just lying about their affiliation to get on the show."

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