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Reply #180 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:46am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.

Same for asylum seekers: the majority of Australians support proper treatment of asylum seekers. People don't support people smugglers, but it's only the extreme that are scared of the "brown people".

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Reply #182 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:48am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.

SOme people find arseholes very sexy. Some even find faeces sexy.

And those people aren't necessarily homosexual. Am I to assume tha tbecause you want to talk about faeces that you have that particular fetish? If so, I'll welcome a discussion on faeces with you, only as to make you happy

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #183 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:49am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.

Well are faeces and arseholes political topics?

Misty has just showed why extremist rants against gay marriage are booed and not supported by centrists.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #184 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:54am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.

Good point, righties don't need a-holes, so much crap comes out their mouths, they are always running on empty.

Then their is the alternate view, that they are just giant A-holes anyway, which is why they are always full of sh1te.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #185 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:57am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.

This reminds me of my Aunty talking with my mother about my gay cousin, and how my Aunty was disgusted by the thought of my cousin having sex. My mums response was who thinks about their child having sex. Which child thinks about their mum having sex

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #186 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:17am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

You're right there, but that's not Q&A, that's the population in general. Many Liberal candidates at the last election changed their stance overnight. For some surreal reason, gay marriage has become a huge issue in the community.

Borders are different. I've heard Turnbull, Gillard, Shorten and even (ex-immigration minister)Amanda Vanstone give compelling reasons for offshore processing and deterrance.

The whole point of Q&A is for politicians to convince the general public of their views. It's a TV show - the audience has some input, but politicians are reaching out to people in their homes.

This requires some skill. Some politicians have it, some don't. The medium is the message - the audience are in their lounge rooms. To be successful in getting your message accross on Q&A, you need to appear relaxed, confident and intimate.

This last point is crucial. Politians who speak of their own experiences succeed. Turnbull is the master at this. Rudd, I always thought, was useless. Gillard was okay, but she got better as she got used to it. The test for Gillard was always letting "the real Julia" out. I think she became very succesful at this as she got used to the top job.

Abbott, mind you, won't even give it a go. I don't think this is all his idea - his media minders would talk him out of going on Q&A. Abbott's largely intellectual. He's not going to warm anyone to him through his communication skills, which are awkward on TV. He makes some good arguments for some things, and this is a strength, but I doubt he can achieve much by going on Q&A. His weaknesses in communication would most likely outweigh his strengths in persuasion, but we'll see.

As PM, I don't think he can avoid Q&A forever.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #187 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:17am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.

Well are faeces and arseholes political topics?

They were for Peter Jenzen.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #188 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:30am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.

Same for asylum seekers: the majority of Australians support proper treatment of asylum seekers. People don't support people smugglers, but it's only the extreme that are scared of the "brown people".

In reading all of your posts, I have come to the obvious conclusion that you are clearly projecting, when you call ma an extremist. The vast majority of Australians couldn't really care less about illegal immgrants, or homosexual rights. The problem with the left, as evidenced by people such as you, is that you think that most people agree with you, when in reality they don't. You can't bear to think that most people don't agree with what you're saying.

I admit that my beliefs and values are a little to the right of the mainstream, however, you can't admit the same about your's, but in the direction of the left.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #189 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:32am

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.

Same for asylum seekers: the majority of Australians support proper treatment of asylum seekers. People don't support people smugglers, but it's only the extreme that are scared of the "brown people".

In reading all of your posts, I have come to the obvious conclusion that you are clearly projecting, when you call ma an extremist. The vast majority of Australians couldn't really care less about illegal immgrants, or homosexual rights. The problem with the left, as evidenced by people such as you, is that you think that most people agree with you, when in reality they don't. You can't bear to think that most people don't agree with what you're saying.

I admit that my beliefs and values are a little to the right of the mainstream, however, you can't admit the same about your's, but in the direction of the left.

perhaps you should try reading your posts instead of Alevines, if you don't think your views are extreme you are nuts.

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Reply #190 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:36am

Karnal wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

You're right there, but that's not Q&A, that's the population in general. Many Liberal candidates at the last election changed their stance overnight. For some surreal reason, gay marriage has become a huge issue in the community.

Borders are different. I've heard Turnbull, Gillard, Shorten and even (ex-immigration minister)Amanda Vanstone give compelling reasons for offshore processing and deterrance.

The whole point of Q&A is for politicians to convince the general public of their views. It's a TV show - the audience has some input, but politicians are reaching out to people in their homes.

This requires some skill. Some politicians have it, some don't. The medium is the message - the audience are in their lounge rooms. To be successful in getting your message accross on Q&A, you need to appear relaxed, confident and intimate.

This last point is crucial. Politians who speak of their own experiences succeed. Turnbull is the master at this. Rudd, I always thought, was useless. Gillard was okay, but she got better as she got used to it. The test for Gillard was always letting "the real Julia" out. I think she became very succesful at this as she got used to the top job.

Abbott, mind you, won't even give it a go. I don't think this is all his idea - his media minders would talk him out of going on Q&A. Abbott's largely intellectual. He's not going to warm anyone to him through his communication skills, which are awkward on TV. He makes some good arguments for some things, and this is a strength, but I doubt he can achieve much by going on Q&A. His weaknesses in communication would most likely outweigh his strengths in persuasion, but we'll see.

As PM, I don't think he can avoid Q&A forever.

Gillard was shocking at communicating with the public. She was extremely patronising (whether intention or not is unclear, I would say probably not, which makes it even worse), and had a very grating and irritating voice. Not to mention that the public just stopped listening after she broke her no carbon tax promise.

Tony Jones and Tony abbott cannot stand each other, and this I would say is a very large pary of why Abbott won't go on the show. Their interview on Late line in late 2011 was extremely awkward. There is of course also the factor of a biased audience.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual bias self.
Reply #191 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:38am

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Okay, I will give an example - their comments on boat people, for one.

Thats not a clue, thats a position on one issue .... not every rightie agrees with every single thing Abbott does idiot. Grow up!

I don't agree with labors PNG solution, does that make me a rightie too? Grin

No, but it is a clear left-wing position on their behalf. They both also strongly defended the ABC, the reporting of the RUMOURS about boat people injuring their hands due to Australian navy personnel, and said that the government is demonising boat people (paraphrasing here).

Matty's got voices in his head ....

I'm not interested in what they said on certain topics ...not evey liberal voter agrees with of shore processing .... the truth is you have no idea how they vote, and you simply cannot accept that anyone can be critical of Abbott

That is not the case at all, and I myself have been critical of Abbott once or twice.

and yet you assume that because anyone who speaks out against the attacks on the ABC or the of shore processing they must be lefties. ... Cheesy

I already told you that it was more than that.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #192 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:39am

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:36am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

You're right there, but that's not Q&A, that's the population in general. Many Liberal candidates at the last election changed their stance overnight. For some surreal reason, gay marriage has become a huge issue in the community.

Borders are different. I've heard Turnbull, Gillard, Shorten and even (ex-immigration minister)Amanda Vanstone give compelling reasons for offshore processing and deterrance.

The whole point of Q&A is for politicians to convince the general public of their views. It's a TV show - the audience has some input, but politicians are reaching out to people in their homes.

This requires some skill. Some politicians have it, some don't. The medium is the message - the audience are in their lounge rooms. To be successful in getting your message accross on Q&A, you need to appear relaxed, confident and intimate.

This last point is crucial. Politians who speak of their own experiences succeed. Turnbull is the master at this. Rudd, I always thought, was useless. Gillard was okay, but she got better as she got used to it. The test for Gillard was always letting "the real Julia" out. I think she became very succesful at this as she got used to the top job.

Abbott, mind you, won't even give it a go. I don't think this is all his idea - his media minders would talk him out of going on Q&A. Abbott's largely intellectual. He's not going to warm anyone to him through his communication skills, which are awkward on TV. He makes some good arguments for some things, and this is a strength, but I doubt he can achieve much by going on Q&A. His weaknesses in communication would most likely outweigh his strengths in persuasion, but we'll see.

As PM, I don't think he can avoid Q&A forever.

Their interview on Late line in late 2011 was extremely awkward. There is of course also the factor of a biased audience.

So if a biased audience is an issue, why does he go on 2GB constantly

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual bias self.
Reply #193 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:39am

Kat wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:09am:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:45pm:

Idiot! You really are full of it.

I watched the show, and you are, quite categorically, wrong.

Again.

I will leave the personal insults to you, Kat. Care to show how I am wrong?

Barnaby Joyce - conservative.
Nick Cater - conservative.
Tanya Plibersek - leftist.
Ray Martin - leftist.
Akmal Saleh - leftist.
Cassandra Goldie - leftist.

Just because people are not loony fringe loonies, like you, does not mean the are lefties. There were two imaginary lefties, as Pliberseck is hardly a true lefty, two extremist loonies from the right, and two centrists. No wonder you're the forum whipping boy. Roll Eyes

Lol, Plibersek is one of the most left-wing people in the Labor party.

Still plastering your bias and ignorance across the 'net for all to see?

Projecting much?

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual bias self.
Reply #194 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:41am

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Okay, I will give an example - their comments on boat people, for one.

Thats not a clue, thats a position on one issue .... not every rightie agrees with every single thing Abbott does idiot. Grow up!

I don't agree with labors PNG solution, does that make me a rightie too? Grin

No, but it is a clear left-wing position on their behalf. They both also strongly defended the ABC, the reporting of the RUMOURS about boat people injuring their hands due to Australian navy personnel, and said that the government is demonising boat people (paraphrasing here).

Matty's got voices in his head ....

I'm not interested in what they said on certain topics ...not evey liberal voter agrees with of shore processing .... the truth is you have no idea how they vote, and you simply cannot accept that anyone can be critical of Abbott

That is not the case at all, and I myself have been critical of Abbott once or twice.

and yet you assume that because anyone who speaks out against the attacks on the ABC or the of shore processing they must be lefties. ... Cheesy

I already told you that it was more than that.

and I asked you why you believed they were lefties and you came back with their comments against the lib policy ... if it is more than that, what was it? let me guess, you had a feeling ? Grin

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