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Reply #195 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:42am

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.

Same for asylum seekers: the majority of Australians support proper treatment of asylum seekers. People don't support people smugglers, but it's only the extreme that are scared of the "brown people".

In reading all of your posts, I have come to the obvious conclusion that you are clearly projecting, when you call ma an extremist. The vast majority of Australians couldn't really care less about illegal immgrants, or homosexual rights. The problem with the left, as evidenced by people such as you, is that you think that most people agree with you, when in reality they don't. You can't bear to think that most people don't agree with what you're saying.

I admit that my beliefs and values are a little to the right of the mainstream, however, you can't admit the same about your's, but in the direction of the left.

perhaps you should try reading your posts instead of Alevines, if you don't think your views are extreme you are nuts.

Evidence??

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75131 Gender:	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #196 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:44am matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:42am: Evidence?? it's no one particular comment, it's an amalgam of all your comments in general.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #197 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:46am So let me get this straight, most people don't care about the issue of gay marriage, yet they care enough to know they don't want it? I call shenanigans on the logic to begin with.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75131 Gender:	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #198 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:49am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:46am: So let me get this straight, most people don't care about the issue of gay marriage, yet they care enough to know they don't want it? I call shenanigans on the logic to begin with. thats liberal logic for you
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Reply #200 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:50am

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.

Same for asylum seekers: the majority of Australians support proper treatment of asylum seekers. People don't support people smugglers, but it's only the extreme that are scared of the "brown people".

In reading all of your posts, I have come to the obvious conclusion that you are clearly projecting, when you call ma an extremist. The vast majority of Australians couldn't really care less about illegal immgrants, or homosexual rights. The problem with the left, as evidenced by people such as you, is that you think that most people agree with you, when in reality they don't. You can't bear to think that most people don't agree with what you're saying.

I admit that my beliefs and values are a little to the right of the mainstream, however, you can't admit the same about your's, but in the direction of the left.

I have always been left and I am proud of that, and have never denied that. BUt you my friend aren't just right of mainstream, you are extreme right of mainstreme. There is a vast difference, and given the topics you have raised on this forum, if you actually feel they are just "slightly" from mainstream then f**k me you're thick.

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Reply #201 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:52am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

I have always been left and I am proud of that, and have never denied that. BUt you my friend aren't just right of mainstream, you are extreme right of mainstreme. There is a vast difference, and given the topics you have raised on this forum, if you actually feel they are just "slightly" from mainstream then f**k me you're thick.

I'm not sure what matty is complaining about. Its there on his profile "Proud member of the religious right". Even he claims he;s extreme right

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Reply #202 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:58am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.

And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.

Same for asylum seekers: the majority of Australians support proper treatment of asylum seekers. People don't support people smugglers, but it's only the extreme that are scared of the "brown people".

I doubt that very much and you must be in denial to espouse such nonsense.
The Libs won the last election they oppose gay marriage and have a policy to stop the boats.
Gays refuse to hold a referendum re their spurious claims... ever wonder why? because they know the majority are not supportive and they will lose any referendum on gay marriage.

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Reply #203 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:01am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

And your assuming that just because an issue is not necessary hated by the majority that it must therefore be supported in the full.

Just because someone doesn't want to see the environment destroyed and bushland wiped out doesn't therefore mean that want to live in the greens world where almost nothing can be touched because of the environmental effects. Just because someone doesn't want to see refugees suffer or dying at sea doesn't therefore mean that want to open the borders and let everyone seek refuge. Just because someone doesn't want to see gays being beaten up of bared from society doesn't therefore mean that want to go and wave their rainbow flag and let them marry.

Yes the majority of Australians are in the centre and want to see some level of environmental policy, rights for gays, and assisting asylum seekers. But that doesn't make them a bunch of green cheerers like seen on Q&A.

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So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

How do you hold these two things together considering we just had an election less than 6 months ago where this "extremist ideology" PM was voted in by a large margin? If the majority of Australians hold to the greens view (the view that the Q&A audience continuously cheer for and the shows questions continuously focus on) why is Milne Mrs 8.65%? If the majority support the positions held on Q&A and Abbott holds the very opposite position, then he simply would not have had such an easy victory in a country that has compulsory voting.

I would have though that when a party has a position on these issues (environmental policy, gay rights, assisting asylum seeker), takes it to a national election with compulsory voting, and then gets the majority support, that this would better reflect where the position of the majority of Australians are than the cheer squad on Q&A who "claim" to be liberal voters. Yet, for some reason people decided to vote for a PM and party they hate because, why? Because there was no alternative party who has position on "environmental policy, gay rights, assisting asylum seeker" which is pretty much exactly the same as the one on the show?

As someone who didn't vote for the Liberal party, I still have to accept the fact that they better represent the position of most Australians on these issues, especially compared to a party like the greens.

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Reply #204 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:02am

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Gays refuse to hold a referendum re their spurious claims... ever wonder why? because they know the majority are not supportive and they will lose any referendum on gay marriage.

Ummmm, the constitution says nothing about marriage doesnt it? If so why do we need a referendum on gay marriage
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139289 Gender:	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #205 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:02am matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:42am: John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:32am: perhaps you should try reading your posts instead of Alevines, if you don't think your views are extreme you are nuts. Evidence?? "Proud member of the religious right."
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Reply #206 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:03am

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc.

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

And your assuming that just because an issue is not necessary hated by the majority that it must therefore be supported in the full.

Just because someone doesn't want to see the environment destroyed and bushland wiped out doesn't therefore mean that want to live in the greens world where almost nothing can be touched because of the environmental effects. Just because someone doesn't want to see refugees suffer or dying at sea doesn't therefore mean that want to open the borders and let everyone seek refuge. Just because someone doesn't want to see gays being beaten up of bared from society doesn't therefore mean that want to go and wave their rainbow flag and let them marry.

Yes the majority of Australians are in the centre and want to see some level of environmental policy, rights for gays, and assisting asylum seekers. But that doesn't make them a bunch of green cheerers like seen on Q&A.

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So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.

How do you hold these two things together considering we just had an election less than 6 months ago where this "extremist ideology" PM was voted in by a large margin? If the majority of Australians hold to the greens view (the view that the Q&A audience continuously cheer for and the shows questions continuously focus on) why is Milne Mrs 8.65%? If the majority support the positions held on Q&A and Abbott holds the very opposite position, then he simply would not have had such an easy victory in a country that has compulsory voting.

I would have though that when a party has a position on these issues (environmental policy, gay rights, assisting asylum seeker), takes it to a national election with compulsory voting, and then gets the majority support, that this would better reflect where the position of the majority of Australians are than the cheer squad on Q&A who "claim" to be liberal voters. Yet, for some reason people decided to vote for a PM and party they hate because, why? Because there was no alternative party who has position on "environmental policy, gay rights, assisting asylum seeker" which is pretty much exactly the same as the one on the show?

As someone who didn't vote for the Liberal party, I still have to accept the fact that they better represent the position of most Australians on these issues, especially compared to a party like the greens.

The problem as I see it, is that when people claim this its ignoring the fact that the only issue most Aussies really vote on is the economy.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #207 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:03am I referendum would make gays a separate group, not part of the mainstream which they hate. But support for gay marriage has strong majority support in all the polls I have seen. Allowing gays to marry would strengthen the institution of marriage.
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Reply #208 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:07am

Actually after I said that about the constitution I decided to have a look. All section 51 really is is giving the federal government powers to make laws regarding marriage. This along with the common finding that federal laws trump state laws is why the ACT same sex marriage act got overturned.

Thus a referendum isn't even needed to change same sex marriage laws. Just a redrafting of the Marriage Act

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139289 Gender:	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #209 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:10am Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:58am: Gays refuse to hold a referendum re their spurious claims... ever wonder why? because they know the majority are not supportive and they will lose any referendum on gay marriage.
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