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Reply #225 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:19am:
Quantum wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:01am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:20am:
The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc. 

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.


And your assuming that just because an issue is not necessary hated by the majority that it must therefore be supported in the full.

Just because someone doesn't want to see the environment destroyed and bushland wiped out doesn't therefore mean that want to live in the greens world where almost nothing can be touched because of the environmental effects. Just because someone doesn't want to see refugees suffer or dying at sea doesn't therefore mean that want to open the borders and let everyone seek refuge. Just because someone doesn't want to see gays being beaten up of bared from society doesn't therefore mean that want to go and wave their rainbow flag and let them marry.

Yes the majority of Australians are in the centre and want to see some level of environmental policy, rights for gays, and assisting asylum seekers. But that doesn't make them a bunch of green cheerers like seen on Q&A.    

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So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.



How do you hold these two things together considering we just had an election less than 6 months ago where this "extremist ideology" PM was voted in by a large margin? If the majority of Australians hold to the greens view (the view that the Q&A audience continuously cheer for and the shows questions continuously focus on) why is Milne Mrs 8.65%? If the majority support the positions held on Q&A and Abbott holds the very opposite position, then he simply would not have had such an easy victory in a country that has compulsory voting.

I would have though that when a party has a position on these issues (environmental policy, gay rights, assisting asylum seeker), takes it to a national election with compulsory voting, and then gets the majority support, that this would better reflect where the position of the majority of Australians are than the cheer squad on Q&A who "claim" to be liberal voters. Yet, for some reason people decided to vote for a PM and party they hate because, why? Because there was no alternative party who has position on "environmental policy, gay rights, assisting asylum seeker" which is pretty much exactly the same as the one on the show?

As someone who didn't vote for the Liberal party, I still have to accept the fact that they better represent the position of most Australians on these issues, especially compared to a party like the greens.   




Once again you seem to believe that to hold specific views means you are somehow green. As you have rightfully acknowledged, the majority of Australians are in the centre and want to see some level of environmental policy, rights for gays, and assisting asylum seekers.  So most of the cheers and agreeance you see on Q&A is not becuase it is packed3 with green voters, but because the right side commentators are loons that come up with absolute nonsense that no one in the center of politics can ever agree with. Who can forget Albrechstein with her "I don't support gay marriage because I don't support it. I don't have a reason I just don't suppor tit."  How can anyone clap that stupidity??  But that's not to say there werent people in the audience who opposed gay marriage; it's just the commentators from the right tend to be more extreme then the average voter, and tend to be incrediably stupid.

And I can say that about Tony because the polls suggest his new policies are not liked, and because the election suggest more distaste for Labor as opposed for support of Tony's extremist views.  He even had to hide them!


Yet when it actually counts, the right loons get the votes by supposedly the same people who cheer for positions they don't hold. The majority may want some level of environmental policy, rights for gays, and assisting asylum seekers, but the positions that are cheered for on Q&A are more than just a degree; its 100% support to the extreme or get booed and jeered until you shut up. The crowds actions hardly fit the majority centre position.
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Reply #226 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:29am:
Yes Grendel does...
Happy for you and the coward minority to hold a referendum/pleb on it anytime.
It'll go down.
Just like Multiculti would have if Hawke had had the bottle to hold one...  he admitted he didn't because he knew they'd lose.

Why does it need a referendum?  We aren't changing the constitution, we are changing the Marriage Act. It was CHANGED in 2004 by Howard. If it can be changed in 2004, why can't it now be changed?

Already covered that pedant crap thanks...  obviously you read nothing.  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #227 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Opinions are like arseholes.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #228 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.


Interesting. My gay friends tell me they want to be married.

Hmm, seems to me that to solve this issue, the onyl way forward is to allow freedom of choice. 
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #229 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Anecdotes are like arseholes.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #230 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:46am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:40am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:20am:
The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc. 

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.



Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.


And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.


It's only spoken about because shows like QandA won't shut up about it. I've never seen a discussion on QandA about the problems of multiculturalism, ethnic crime, Aboriginal crime or dysfunction, divorce rates, drunken and undisciplined youths. If shows like QandA kept rabbiting on about these issues then they would most likely be mainstream topics as well. But those who run QandA are a bit smarter than this. They know what they're doing; they're selective topic choosing is purposeful. It's the same way the Bolt Report operates: selectively choose a few subjects and present them from a particular perspective.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #231 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:34am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:29am:
Yes Grendel does...
Happy for you and the coward minority to hold a referendum/pleb on it anytime.
It'll go down.
Just like Multiculti would have if Hawke had had the bottle to hold one...  he admitted he didn't because he knew they'd lose.



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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #232 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:34am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:29am:
Yes Grendel does...
Happy for you and the coward minority to hold a referendum/pleb on it anytime.
It'll go down.
Just like Multiculti would have if Hawke had had the bottle to hold one...  he admitted he didn't because he knew they'd lose.

Why does it need a referendum?  We aren't changing the constitution, we are changing the Marriage Act. It was CHANGED in 2004 by Howard. If it can be changed in 2004, why can't it now be changed?

Already covered that pedant crap thanks...  obviously you read nothing.  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes

You covered it how? Why does it need a referendum?  Do you know when referendums are needed?  If you do, explain why one is needed in this case?
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Reply #233 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:36am
 
Honestly... you are an idiot.
Ask pasta to explain it to you or simply go back and read what we already discussed.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #234 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:37am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:48am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.




Well are faeces and arseholes political topics?


To gays and "progressives" they seem to be.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #235 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:37am
 
Yes grendels using the term referendum when he doesnt actually mean referendum
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Reply #236 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Opinions are like arseholes.

No they are not and I'll pass on the obvious joke...
You must have a very small circle of "gay" friends, mine are also much more hardcore I'd say.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #237 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:37am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:48am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.




Well are faeces and arseholes political topics?


To gays and "progressives" they seem to be.




Never heard anal sex talked about on Q and A. PLease continue
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Reply #238 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:46am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:40am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:20am:
The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc. 

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.



Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.


And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.


It's only spoken about because shows like QandA won't shut up about it. I've never seen a discussion on QandA about the problems of multiculturalism, ethnic crime, Aboriginal crime or dysfunction, divorce rates, drunken and undisciplined youths. If shows like QandA kept rabbiting on about these issues then they would most likely be mainstream topics as well. But those who run QandA are a bit smarter than this. They know what they're doing; they're selective topic choosing is purposeful. It's the same way the Bolt Report operates: selectively choose a few subjects and present them from particular perspective.


ethnic crime? Is that similar to normal crime?

Multiculturalism has been an issue that has been talked about.
Aboriginal issues have been talked about. Maybe not "dysfunction" because it is once again only extreme loonies who would classify the problems within an aboriginal community as "aboriginal dysfunction"

In fact, probably divorce rates are the only issue not discussed and even then perhaps they were when the lovely imbecile George Pell was on.


And typically Q&A discusses things that have happened the past week in the media. And it just so happens that gay marriage is a big issue in the media, and "divorce rates" aren't.

but you know, keep trying to draw conclusions from bullsh1t.
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Reply #239 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:36am:
Honestly... you are an idiot.
Ask pasta to explain it to you or simply go back and read what we already discussed.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I'll take that as your typical "I have no idea" response. Smiley Enjoy your day.
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