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Reply #240 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:37am:
Yes grendels using the term referendum when he doesnt actually mean referendum

Oh right. Like when he thinks one lies by inference?
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Reply #241 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Opinions are like arseholes.

No they are not and I'll pass on the obvious joke...
You must have a very small circle of "gay" friends, mine are also much more hardcore I'd say.



So because my gay friends disagree with what your gay friends are saying, my gay friends are wrong?
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #242 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:40am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Opinions are like arseholes.

No they are not and I'll pass on the obvious joke...
You must have a very small circle of "gay" friends, mine are also much more hardcore I'd say.

You can be hardcore gay?
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #243 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:40am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:49am:
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Perhaps they can talk about other things about gays rather than just their wanted rights. Perhaps the show can talk about faeces and arseholes. But that's not so trendy or sexy is it.




Well are faeces and arseholes political topics?

Misty has just showed why extremist rants against gay marriage are booed and not supported by centrists.


I see. Anyone who dislikes playing with faeces and arseholes are an extremist.  Cheesy
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Reply #244 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:41am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:37am:
Yes grendels using the term referendum when he doesnt actually mean referendum

Why do you find it hard to be completely honest about this...  I even trusted you to be.

Using both terms now as pasta and you are pedants, using referendum because the media and most people use and understand that as a vote by the populous on an issue.  thanks for nothing pasta.
BTW I know what a pleb is most here might not.
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Reply #245 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:41am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:36am:
Honestly... you are an idiot.
Ask pasta to explain it to you or simply go back and read what we already discussed.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I'll take that as your typical "I have no idea" response. Smiley Enjoy your day.




Grendel means a plebiscite. The problem is though the choice of having a plebisicite is the governments. Much like the republican referendum, its open to all sorts of abuse by the government at the time.
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Reply #246 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:42am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:36am:
Honestly... you are an idiot.
Ask pasta to explain it to you or simply go back and read what we already discussed.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I'll take that as your typical "I have no idea" response. Smiley Enjoy your day.

Good manners prevent me from telling you to F Off.
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Reply #247 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:43am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:37am:
Yes grendels using the term referendum when he doesnt actually mean referendum

Oh right. Like when he thinks one lies by inference?

You lost that debate too...  still hurts does it...
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Too bad, get a life.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #248 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:44am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:29am:
Yes Grendel does...
Happy for you and the coward minority to hold a referendum/pleb on it anytime.
It'll go down.
Just like Multiculti would have if Hawke had had the bottle to hold one...  he admitted he didn't because he knew they'd lose.

Why does it need a referendum?  We aren't changing the constitution, we are changing the Marriage Act. It was CHANGED in 2004 by Howard. If it can be changed in 2004, why can't it now be changed?

Already covered that pedant crap thanks...  obviously you read nothing.  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes



No, you didn't. 

You said: "Oh dear a pedant....  I used that term pastaface because that's what is used in the meeja all the time...  happy to use the correct term plebiscite for your pedantic plebness."

There's no need for a plebiscite.

You seem to have a very limited understanding of how our legislative system works and how Acts are amended.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #249 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:44am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Opinions are like arseholes.

No they are not and I'll pass on the obvious joke...
You must have a very small circle of "gay" friends, mine are also much more hardcore I'd say.



So because my gay friends disagree with what your gay friends are saying, my gay friends are wrong?

Nope...  it's a quantitative thing...
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #250 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:46am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:43am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:37am:
Yes grendels using the term referendum when he doesnt actually mean referendum

Oh right. Like when he thinks one lies by inference?

You lost that debate too...  still hurts does it...
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Too bad, get a life.

Yes. because of all the lying by inference.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #251 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:46am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:44am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:29am:
Yes Grendel does...
Happy for you and the coward minority to hold a referendum/pleb on it anytime.
It'll go down.
Just like Multiculti would have if Hawke had had the bottle to hold one...  he admitted he didn't because he knew they'd lose.

Why does it need a referendum?  We aren't changing the constitution, we are changing the Marriage Act. It was CHANGED in 2004 by Howard. If it can be changed in 2004, why can't it now be changed?

Already covered that pedant crap thanks...  obviously you read nothing.  Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes



No, you didn't. 

You said: "Oh dear a pedant....  I used that term pastaface because that's what is used in the meeja all the time...  happy to use the correct term plebiscite for your pedantic plebness."

There's no need for a plebiscite.

You seem to have a very limited understanding of how our legislative system works and how Acts are amended.




The law could be changed by plebiscite, but the issue is as far as I see is that 1) the government needs to want to have one on the issue and feel its better than just amending the law and 2) the government phrases the question posed in the plebisicite in the right manner
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #252 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:46am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:40am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Opinions are like arseholes.

No they are not and I'll pass on the obvious joke...
You must have a very small circle of "gay" friends, mine are also much more hardcore I'd say.

You can be hardcore gay? 

Didn't you know...  hmmm...  you must be too vanilla for anyone to want to play with.
Honestly why don't you just try and find something you really understand and debate about that?
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #253 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:46am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:44am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:28am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:24am:
In a pro gay marriage report only 54% of gay people wanted to get married.  I can tell you that this is a very inflated figure when compared to the whole of the gay community.



Whenever I see the figures about how many gay couples want to get married, I roll my eyes. Its an irrelevant figure. Its about the right to choose if you want to get married. Not every straight couple wants to get married, does that mean we should ban straight marriages too?

I frankly don't care what gay couples do in terms of marriage. If people want to get married, fine. But I don't think it is societys place to deny people the right to choose to get married.

If you choose to be gay...  you choose not to marry...  my gay friends tell me that on this issue all the time.




My gay friends tell me differently. Opinions are like arseholes.

No they are not and I'll pass on the obvious joke...
You must have a very small circle of "gay" friends, mine are also much more hardcore I'd say.



So because my gay friends disagree with what your gay friends are saying, my gay friends are wrong?

Nope...  it's a quantitative thing...




So your statistically insignificant population of gay friends is better than my statistically insignificant population of gay friends.
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Reply #254 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:46am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:38am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:33am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:46am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:40am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:31am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 8:20am:
The audience in QandA veers toward the "progressives". The audience's reaction to the panellists and the topics involved reflect that. It's odd that 40% supposed Liberal supports would boo their own or remain entirely silent throughout the show. Quantum is right that the topics the Greens are obsessed with get the most cheers, yet are only ever about 10% of the audience. Something doesn't add up.

Once again, your assumption is that a typical liberal supporter will:
1. Not agree with environmental policy, gay rights,assisting asylum seeker etc. 

That is not a left ideal. It's a centrist ideal. And the majority of Austrlaia, the vast majority, is centrist.

So your assumption is wrong, as typically the issues discussed on the show have majority support of the public, and it's a shame that we have an extremist PM with an extremist ideology, that simply get supported by the extremists of the liberal party, who happen to make up the majority of liberal party posters on this forum.



Anyone who doesn't believe in open borders for asylum seekers and supports gay marriage is heckled on the show. That's not centrist. Gay marriage concerns hardly anyone; for most people it just doesn't register as an important issue, yet it gets talked about time and time again.


And that's where you're wrong once again.

Gay marriage might not be a primary concern for most people, but it is an important issue that has been debated for now over a decade, and guess what, the majority of people support it. Hence why those who are against it get heckled, because it is so extremist to be against it, as is typically shown by the "opinion" on why that person is against it, which always ends on some extreme rant.


It's only spoken about because shows like QandA won't shut up about it. I've never seen a discussion on QandA about the problems of multiculturalism, ethnic crime, Aboriginal crime or dysfunction, divorce rates, drunken and undisciplined youths. If shows like QandA kept rabbiting on about these issues then they would most likely be mainstream topics as well. But those who run QandA are a bit smarter than this. They know what they're doing; they're selective topic choosing is purposeful. It's the same way the Bolt Report operates: selectively choose a few subjects and present them from particular perspective.


ethnic crime? Is that similar to normal crime?

Multiculturalism has been an issue that has been talked about.
Aboriginal issues have been talked about. Maybe not "dysfunction" because it is once again only extreme loonies who would classify the problems within an aboriginal community as "aboriginal dysfunction"

In fact, probably divorce rates are the only issue not discussed and even then perhaps they were when the lovely imbecile George Pell was on.


And typically Q&A discusses things that have happened the past week in the media. And it just so happens that gay marriage is a big issue in the media, and "divorce rates" aren't.

but you know, keep trying to draw conclusions from bullsh1t.


See, alternative issues are brought up and you ridicule them or dismiss them. You're not interesting in a variety of topics viewed from various angles; you're after the same trendy issues to be spoken of again and again only from the angle you agree with.

This is why I will never tire of pointing out the hypocrisies and contradictions in "progressives". They project themselves as beacons of freedom and diversity, but are so far removed from these things that I don't even know how they can live a peaceful existence with such contradictions running around in their head. Perhaps this is some kind of special psychological trick only "progressives" know. Hmmm ... more research for me.
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